hi, most will know, I'm not a PHP user but a Python guy..
I think for their team to and make such a decision is not a trivial one. They must have encountered issues that caused them to think that way & make those decisions. Also, I think, SAHANA is a very mission-critical system, and you are usually implementing it under stressful conditions (there is a disaster going on)! Also its the type of app where you have to setup & config very quickly, and needs to be stable. Who knows they may also need to make modifications on the fly... Comparing Facebook and SAHANA, is not comparing apples to apples, if SAHANA fails, ppl may die... facebook? I that fails maybe there'll be better productivity all round ;-) and the moral motivations are entirely different, one grp is trying to help others, MZukerburg just wants to control the world! ;-) but its good PR for Python. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:53 PM, CL Chow <klrkdek...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm a PHP guy but I agree most of the statement. And don't forget facebook > actually compile their php codes to c++ > Trying to make a highly scalable PHP application is a pain. With all the > fuss of setting up caching mechanism, load balancing. > And not forgetting apache. > The one who wrote the article is a PHP guy and I do think that he concluded > most of our pain. Well, except for the seperation of logic because most of > us are practicing MVC or at least using a MVC framework. > And yes, and I do use frameworks like Symfony and Zend. > ps > For me, the only usable PHP version now is 5.3 but everyone is reluctant to > change(Luckily Zend and Symfony are going to 5.3). I don't understand why > some still relies on those deprecated malpracticed features. > Regards, > CL Chow > "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send > OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"; > > > > > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar <bizkut...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> large apps and large group of users are 2 different things. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On 6 Aug 2010, at 22:46, Nuhaa All Bakry <cawan.nu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> havent been to their website yet but this kinda harsh and the person who >> wrote it must hv had never wrote in php. large app? there's facebook. we use >> frameworks these days, there's ur obj oriented n well separated logic n >> presentation, and RAD for that matter... >> >> nuhaa >> Sent from my phone >> On 06/08/2010, at 10:59, CL Chow <klrkdek...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Sahana, a FOSS disaster Management System, >> Project homepage: sahanafoundation.org/ >> Wikil: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahana_FOSS_Disaster_Management_System >> Originally written in PHP(which is now call Agasti) has recently branch a >> Python version called Sahana Eden. >> Here are some interesting reasons from the Eden developers according to >> the wiki. >> As quoted from the project's wiki >> eden.sahanafoundation.org/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestionsPython >> == Why replace PHP with Python? == >> We believe we can attract more developers if we change from PHP to Python. >> PHP is not a good language for building large, maintainable applications: >> http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002/papers/html/php/index.html >> * especially when using it to write out complex Javascript (the syntaxes >> are always tripping you up) >> * doesn't enforce Object Orientation >> * poor separation of Presentation & Code >> Python is fully Object Oriented ('everything is an Object') >> Python is an interpreted language, similar to PHP & relatively easy for >> developers to adapt to. >> Java would be a reasonable choice, but the barrier to entry with Java is >> much harder - setting up the compiler environment, etc >> * this doesn't fit the RAD needs of the project. >> * we can still access any useful Java libs via Jython: >> http://www.jython.org/ >> Ruby-on-Rails might be a good choice, but that's primarily for Web2.0 apps >> still & Sahana is more than just that.[[BR]] >> Performance is also worse than for Python: >> http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/gp4/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python&lang2=ruby >> Python also supports a wide range of libraries for adding extra >> functionality, including in the GIS space:[[BR]] >> (There are no PHP libraries for GIS) >> * http://trac.gispython.org/lab/wiki >> * http://featureserver.org >> * http://tilecache.org >> * http://mapfish.org >> Python is also the language in which the support infrastructure is >> written: Bzr, Trac >> * ESR's take on Python: http://pythonology.org/success&story=esr >> * Python as an Agile language: >> http://agiletesting.blogspot.com/2005/02/python-as-agile-language.html >> * Python is fun!: http://xkcd.com/353/ >> ---- >> Enjoy ;) >> Regards, >> CL Chow >> >> >> -- >> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >> >> Facebook Fan page >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >> >> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >> >> -- >> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >> >> Facebook Fan page >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >> >> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >> >> -- >> Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >> >> Facebook Fan page >> >> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >> >> http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en > > -- > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ > > Facebook Fan page > > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 > > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. > To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- #------- regds, Boh Heong, Yap -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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