Balazs Thanks for the mail and your input.
My message was sent to wrong mail list in error, so please disregard. We are keen for feedback on the exams so please be sure to send that to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. Similarly if anyone has any questions about the exam then please direct them to that address. Details of a future series of exams will be made available in the coming weeks. Regards Mike > On 27 Jan 2015, at 07:47, Balázs Zsoldos <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > may I ask how many developers tried the second public exam? > > I liked that the tooling was not specified at all. E.g.: I used our > self-developed tools which I could work rapidly. It would have been hard if I > had to use tools that I was not familiar with. Probably a testing environment > could have speed up the work, where I could deploy the developed / fixed > bundles and be sure that I was ready (all pre-written tests passed). I do not > mean an IDE, but only a container with webconsole or autodeploy directory > started with a shell / batch script. > > Regards, > > Zsoldos Balázs > Rendszertervező | Software architect > > > > +36 70 594 9234 <> | [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > EverIT Kft. > 1137 Budapest, Katona József utca 17. III. em. 2. > http://www.everit.biz <http://www.everit.biz/> I [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > Ezen üzenet és annak bármely csatolt anyaga bizalmas, jogi védelem alatt áll, > a nyilvános közléstől védett. Az üzenetet kizárólag a címzett, illetve az > általa meghatalmazottak használhatják fel. Ha Ön nem az üzenet címzettje, úgy > kérjük, hogy telefonon, vagy e-mail-ben értesítse erről az üzenet küldőjét és > törölje az üzenetet, valamint annak összes csatolt mellékletét a > rendszeréből. 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Please note that any dissemination, > distribution, copying or use of or reliance upon the information contained in > and transmitted with this e-mail by or to anyone other than the recipient > designated above by the sender is unauthorised and strictly prohibited. > > > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Mike Francis <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Brian > > Thanks for sitting the exam and also many thanks for your feedback, it is > very useful. > > I will make sure that this is shared with the team that put the exam together. > > We will be in touch once all the candidates exams are marked. > > Regards > Mike > >> On 27 Jan 2015, at 06:32, Brian St Clair <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Before I forget, I wanted to give you some quick feedback. I took the >> developer exam at the Salesforce office on Thursday 1/22/2015, with you and >> Tim. >> >> * Overall, I thought the content was excellent and focused on useful areas. >> >> * I think you need to figure out a way for testers to type answers to >> "written" questions, not write them by hand. From me, at least, you would >> have gotten more complete and better reasoned answers had I been able to >> type them instead of write them. This seems like a tiny thing, but I think >> it's actually a big deal, especially when time is of such essence. >> >> * My primary challenges were around tooling, and this seemed to be echoed by >> the other guys taking the test. For me, personally, I do not do OSGi >> development on a regular basis (although I expect that to change soon). I >> have been doing software development for roughly 18 years, but not much >> OSGi. It would have been useful to include more specific descriptions of the >> functional tasks that we would be needing to do in the exam, e.g. "install >> and uninstall bundles provided for you into a running OSGi container", >> "modify a manifest and rebuild a bundle jar using Ant", etc. In addition, >> many people use Maven for their day-to-day development. While I realize that >> there are reasons for not wanting to provide internet access, it would be >> very useful to be given the provided jars ahead of the exam so that we could >> pre-populate a local Maven repo. Instructions specifically related to >> setting up Maven with everything we would need for the exam would have been >> useful. >> >> I'm not sure what the best solution is to the "tooling" question, but given >> that there is no internet access, I think more information could be provided >> to candidates about how to prepare from a "dev environment" or "tooling" >> perspective than was provided, without negatively affecting the integrity of >> the test. >> >> In summary, great content, but I spent too much time writing answers by hand >> that I could have better composed by typing, and I (and others) lost way too >> much time struggling with figuring out tooling in a "no internet" context, >> which adds nothing to the evaluation of my OSGi knowledge or general >> programming ability. >> >> Thanks - I hope that feedback is helpful. The moderators were great, and >> incredibly professional. Hopefully I pass, but if not I fully intend on >> taking the exam again. >> >> Best, >> Brian St.Clair >> Salesforce >> >> > > Mike Francis > Sales & Marketing Director > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > UK +44 207 993 8915 <tel:%2B44%20207%20993%208915> > US +1 415-738-8349 <tel:%2B1%20415-738-8349> > Fax +44 845 127 5999 <tel:%2B44%20845%20127%205999> > Mobile +44 791 933 5933 <tel:%2B44%20791%20933%205933> > Email [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > www.paremus.com <http://www.paremus.com/> > > Paremus Limited. Registered in England. Registration No. 4181472 > Registered Office: 22-24 Broad Street, Wokingham, Berks RG40 1BA > Postal Address: 107-111 Fleet Street, London, EC4A 2AB > The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s) or entity > to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. 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