SPIEGEL ONLINE - January 30, 2007, 05:12 PM
URL: http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,463238,00.html
INTERVIEW WITH FATAH LEADER
"The Worst We've Experienced in Palestinian History"

Hamas and Fatah have been fighting each other for weeks. Now a tenuous 
ceasefire has been agreed on. SPIEGEL ONLINE spoke to Abdallah Frangi, 
the highest-ranking Fatah official in Gaza, about his hopes for an end 
to the violence, the responsibility of Hamas and the role of Saudi Arabia.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Mr. Frangi, you're now in the Gaza Strip. Just this 
morning, there are said to have been more shoot-outs between supporters 
of Hamas and supporters of Fatah. What is the situation like?

Abdallah Frangi: Things have improved a great deal since the ceasefire 
that was negotiated last night. It's true there was an incident today. 
But the Egyptians mediated very well. And I think both organizations are 
trying to seize this opportunity. This time all indicators suggest the 
ceasefire will hold. I've just read a communiqué from our boys stating 
they seriously want to observe the ceasefire.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: When you say "our boys," do you mean the al-Aqsa Martyrs 
Brigade, which is close to Fatah and was involved in the fighting?

Frangi: I mean Fatah as a whole.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: The last ceasefire didn't last long. Afterwards, things 
got even worse. There were kidnappings, skirmishes, cold-blooded 
murders. Why are you more hopeful this time?

Frangi: What happened during the last few days was the worst we've 
experienced in Palestinian history. It has deeply upset the entire 
Palestinian society. The people are against every person who continues 
to want to escalate the situation.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: So who was responsible for this escalation?

Frangi: Hamas is responsible for the government. It won the elections 
one year ago. And Hamas is therefore also responsible for developments 
in the Palestinian territories and in the Gaza Strip. Hamas has not 
succeeded in making the streets safe. Hamas still deals with other 
parties and organizations as if it were the political opposition. But it 
has to face up to the responsibility that it now has.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: You're the representative of Fatah in the Gaza Strip. 
It's clear you tend to attribute blame to Hamas. But we're also hearing 
about how Fatah militants and members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Bridge have 
been far from restraining themselves. Are these forces out of control?

Frangi: The bloodshed that has occured makes it very difficult to 
restrain people. The number of dead and wounded on the side of Fatah is 
much larger than that on the side of Hamas. And of course the reactions 
are driven by the corresponding emotions.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: So no one can control these forces, including yourself.

Frangi: Under these circumstances, it's very difficult to control 
people. But we have resolved to do it; we want to; and we're trying. I 
haven't heard any shooting since 4 a.m. this morning. Hope is growing.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Why do these outbreaks of violence keep occuring in the 
first place?

Frangi: The reason is that we haven't succeeded in forming a unified 
government or developing a common political program. And so everyone 
tries to defend their position. Unfortunately, they don't always do so 
by democratic means; they also use force of arms.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: High-ranking politicians from both side have been 
targets in the conflict again and again. Do you fear for your life?

Frangi: Everyone in a position of responsibility, whether from Hamas or 
Fatah, has suffered due to these events. The commitment and the 
responsibility to end this confrontation are therefore all the greater.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: You already mentioned yesterday's successful mediation 
by Egypt. At the same time, Saudi Arabia is also trying to mediate. 
There is talk of a summit meeting between Hamas and Fatah in Mecca.

Frangi: That's the best thing Saudi Arabia could do. That's why the 
suggestion was immediately accepted by both Hamas and Fatah. The Hamas 
delegation will be led by Khaled Meshal, the leader in exile. Our 
delegation will be led by Abu Ala, the former Prime Minister. Saudi 
Arabia carries great weight. That became evident in 1989, in Lebanon, 
when the Taif Agreement was reached between the Lebanese camps, under 
Saudi mediation. The agreement has lasted until today. The Saudis can 
surely help set the reconciliation process in motion.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Yesterday, there was a suicide attack in Israel for the 
first time in nine months. Several Palestinian groups claimed 
responsibility. Does this endanger the efforts of the Middle East 
Quartet, which is meeting in Washington on Friday?

Frangi: I don't believe so. Even Israel's Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has 
promised not to react with major military offensives. Everyone knows -- 
both in Israel and in Palestine -- that the current situation wouldn't 
hold up to a further escalation.

--Interview conducted by Yassin Musharbash


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