Hi Birgitt, you are challenging me! So I jump into the ring, as an outsider. When Harrison Owen used the fourfold way of Angeles Arrien to form the method of Open Space, he did an ingenious job, as the world wide distribution of the method shows every day. But ... Now Open Space seems to me to be both, a method and a movement. The movement organizes OSonOssses etc. and spreads also with amazing speed. I am not part of the movement, but I admire the method, use it sometimes, and took part as a visual facilitator (I prefer that expression to visual artist) several times, so also together with you. And since years I am a member of this list serve and follow the discussions. So if I am asking for a dialogue, what have I to say, and what do I expect? A dialogue for me is different from a discussion. In a discussion everybody tries to be right and convince the others, in a dialogue everybody listens and is ready to learn. So I tell my story, and am curious what will happen. Michael Hermann writes: " is the artist's work beautiful, interesting, magical, and more? yes, of course. but what if i am a great story teller? would i ever get up and attempt to 'keynote' the closing circle with my own summation?" Of course Michael expects everybody to cry out "of course not!" But I say: WHY NOT?????? For me the method of OS is brilliant at its beginning, excellent in the middle, and only slightly average at the end. I see no value in boaring texts, written by the obediant ones. I am no friend of spoken reports of group results. Words, words, words. I am missing the fire that was alive in the groups! Alive, not online, not typed, to feel it with your senses! And I know, that images can help a lot here. Right now I take part in a project (not OS), where the client organized 200 interviews of storytelling, done in pairs, and the listening partner did write the story down. Then it was revised and typed, then revised again, and now all the stories are dead and boaring! A true storyteller would have used the content and would have given it a form to reach people, to bring the message to the public. For me that is beautiful! You also could build a scene play, dance the messages, sing them, draw them (what I did). Birgitt, you wrote:" when you gave us your gifts as a visual artist, people's learning ended up going much deeper through the art as a wonderful reflection tool. " Since for me you are the one, who really added value to Harrisons method, by taking into account the givens, as framework for the openness, by adding the 'Purpose' in the middle of the medicine wheel, and above all by daring to offer OS as an ongoing method within organizations, and to teach organizations to use it this way, may be you understand what I am asking for. It is not only a better way of documentation (what images of course can offer), it is the wonderful opportunity, no, the necessity, to transport the spirit of all what happens in Open Space first to all the senses of the participants and then to whom it may concern. All this for me is true in every Open Space session, and I know that people can be trained as 'transporters of spirit'. wether by drawing or any other way. In the meantime it is a good solution to have someone from the outside, as witness, as reciever, container, and that is what I can offer to be. If artists use Open Space for their themes, if they explode dancing, singing, drawing, beautiful. But that is not what I am talking about, unless all of us are keen enough to detect the artist insides themselves. Blessings Reinhard VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE Kuchenmüller & Stifel tel +39-0566-88 929 www.visuelle-protokolle.de
________________________________ Von: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] Im Auftrag von Birgitt Williams Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. August 2006 14:19 An: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Betreff: Re: Working with visual artists at an Open Space Hi Reinhard, You know that I admire your work very much and have appreciated your help in our workshops, and when you gave us your gifts as a visual artist, people's learning ended up going much deeper through the art as a wonderful reflection tool. What interested me in your mail to this list was your comment "I was hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years." If you have the energy for it, I would very much like to hear from you regarding what you were hoping the dialogue would be. I have an idea that you, who know OST very well, have some insights that we all could benefit from. Blessings, Birgitt Birgitt Williams -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Visuelle Protokolle Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:34 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: AW: Working with visual artists at an Open Space Hi Chris, and all you others, I was hoping that your question would open a dialog I was seeking since years. Since years I am on this OS list, feeling that you and me are seeking for the same treasure in and on similar ways. But then I get Harrison's "One caution about visual artists and other such addendum" and ask me, and ask you: Are you, like me, an addendum to the process of self organizing people, helping them a bit as we can with our tools, or are you the high priests and I am the addendum? Mit freundlichen Grüßen best regards Reinhard VISUELLE PROTOKOLLE Kuchenmüller & Stifel tel +39-0566-88 929 www.visuelle-protokolle.de ________________________________ Von: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] Im Auftrag von Chris Corrigan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. August 2006 18:51 An: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Betreff: Working with visual artists at an Open Space Hi mates: I have an opportunity coming up in the fall to work with a visual artist for an Open Space I am doing. The clients wants us to work together and I'm excited by the possibility, but haven't ever done that before. So what kind of good stories do you have of working with visual artists (and visual art as a modality) in Open Space. Daniel? Reinhardt? Is Nancy Margulis around? Others? Chris -- CHRIS CORRIGAN Consultation - Facilitation Open Space Technology Weblog: http://www.chriscorrigan.com/parkinglot Site: http://www.chriscorrigan.com Open Space Resources: http://tinyurl.com/r94tj * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 8/22/2006 * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
