citerar "Artur F. Silva" <artsi...@mail.eunet.pt>: > At 18:29 02-10-2001, Jeff Aitken wrote: > > >The crisis brings up questions about this list that we have not asked > >before. We have never in my memory had sustained dialogue about anything > >other than OST, except maybe God and poetry. ;-) > > You are right in what concerns "sustained dialogue", Jeff. But I recall > many posts and even some dialogues about "other ways of Opening the > Space" (that point is, by the way, included in Chris' FAQ's, even if that > is not very important as the FAQ's have changed and will continue to > change, as the list evolves). For me "opening the space" for the world > (or not closing it too much), was exactly the point. But the events were > so tragic, that they have been discussed in every list I know, even if > it was off-topic. And then the ways to respond to it have also been > discussed in many lists, as it is a problem that concerns all human > beings and many "disciplines". > > But due to the multi-cultural origins of OST, it concerns this list more > than some others, I think. By the way, the question of to be (or not) > a pacifist has already been discussed, less than one year ago, in a > thread on "cross cultural sensitivity". But then it had not the "urgency" > and potential for conflict of the present situation. > > But I think that you, or any other participant, have not to be concerned > with the fact that the thread on "terrorism and war" has been less intense > after some time. First, it happened in other lists too; second, people > probably > felt that they had already clarified their positions (or the positions they > had > at the time); third, in the meanwhile spaces to discuss specifically that > question have appeared; forth, the fact that people talk when they fell > they > had enough about something is an important indicator to others about > when to continue or not; last: I think that many old participants are > no longer contributing regularly and that this list has ups and downs. > It had an up with the events and now a down - that down can have been > caused eventually by reasons having no relation with war. > > Personally, I think your comment was very useful. If we were the "decision > makers" (that hopefully we are not), probably we would have to continue > discussing, and probably then voting...and then the sense of community > would eventually suffer. As we are not, and as hopefully some of the more > strong war answers have been changed (compare the first discourses of > Blair, > with the one he made yesterday; compare the "bomb all Afghanistan" of two > weeks ago, with the mix of help and war of today) maybe we can go back > to our main subjects. > > On the other hand, if it is true, as it has been said, that the tragic > events were a sign that the world has changed, then maybe it is natural > that > some other things have to change. I am not saying that OST has to be > changed, on the contrary, maybe it is the right time to concentrate on OST > and not so much on "derivatives". But I think that eventually we can change > the perception and understanding that we have of OST, and maybe also of > this list. > > In what concerns me, even if my "knowing" of OST has not changed, I tend > to think that some of my ideas about it have been slightly "readjusted" > this days. If we consider, as I do, that Harrison's Guide, and some of his > other books, are the genuine OST, maybe one should question if when we try > to summarize OST, or on the contrary to develop it, we are always taking > the > more fundamental concepts. I will come back to this some other day, > as those are subjects that we can analyze with time (maybe after the next > (prolonged) week end - as tomorrow will be holiday here -- in memory of > the Republican revolution of 1910). > > In what concerns this list, maybe it is worthwhile to give a second look > to its meaning and our roles in it. For instance: > > >I think we are all invited to play two roles here: facilitators AND > >sponsors. As a facilitator I want to hold space, not intervene, maybe ask > >if it's over. As a sponsor I want to offer appropriate leadership. > > I find that a strange but interesting way of putting it. I would never > think > of my role in the dialogue in this list as being neither facilitator, nor > sponsor. > I think of myself here as a "participant" - I am a facilitator in other > settings, > not here. > > And I don't think that there are any "givens" here, but that we are always > creating/recreating the meaning of this list - this list is (part of) an > emergence of "collective consciousness". (Indeed there is only one > "given" in OST - it is that the initiator GAVE it to the all humanity, as > an > "open source" kind of thing, not trade marketed, with no need for any > formal training, nor "certification" - only the need for "a good head, and > a good heart", and the community support we can find in this list). > > But of course we have a "theme" as the name OSLIST suggests. The point > is: are we a list on OST or on OS? On the other hand, the last Chapter > of Harrison's Guide is called "What Next?" (chapter XIII, pages 153- 161 > of the second edition) and has some suggestion for future research and > dialogue. I think that those topics have not yet been completely > answered, and can give some help in thinking where this list may go. > Of special concern for me are Harrison's observations on how OST > can be used, in the long term, to create the learning organization, > that he recognizes that must be open and interactive, more > concerned with a way of life that with some "disciplines", hence an > Open Space Organization where "control is not only impossible but > undesirable". I could never understood why those observations (and > others) were not one of the main bases for the OPEN dialogue IN > THIS LIST. > > Another point is that as more people joint the OS community and this list > we have to consider that more mails will be sent/received every day, and > there is no way of reading them all. As in other lists, we can have > different > threads (breakout sessions?) in parallel and some people will follow the > ones they are interested and not others. But they can always see also > the others, if they wish!!! > > Finally in my opinion it is important to maintain only one list for the > OS dialogue, and not different ones for different flavors, so that all > experience is shared among all the OS community, and it will not > be replaced by many communities, eventually with a more closed > or commercial oriented focus. I think that if all discussions are keep > together, more diversity will be included, and a better and quicker > learning will be possible for each one and all of us. > > Artur > > * > * > ========================================================== > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, > Visit: > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >
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