chris macrae wrote:
Chris- my view would be that its always possible that some organisations
will get stuff done in spite of hierarchy's excesses

Beyond possible: I think it happens ALOT.  In really rigid hierarchies,
like bureaucracies, my experience is that most stuff happens in spite of
the hierarchy.  And when you look at how it happens, it's a network or a
matrix.


But I don't see why understanding of organisations hasn't got beyond
recognising that hierarchy is only one of several systems that a
thriving people-investing organisations needs to be structured around

Why not ask the triple accountability and design question applied to the
relationship infrastructures that all organisations are:
What's the best of hierarchy how can this interface with the best of
self-organising and how can we mix this withy the best of networking
across organisational boundaries, we are wasting most people's working
lifetimes

I agree with you.  I think maybe the reason this stuff hasn't caught on
is perhaps because people don't always link it to the bottom line.  It
sounds like a nice abstract conversation, but until people can see it in
action AND that it makes as much money as the prevailing wisdom, folks
won't always be keen to adopt a change.  And I think that stories about
successes in other places don't always convince people to try new ways
of organizing.  The story has to come from one's own experience.  An
Appreciative Inquiry-type of discovery approach does wonders in this
respect, inviting people to connect with optimal experiences in their
past and inviting design to arise out of that latent capacity.  But it
also means some detailed introspection to link the experience of the
past in what might be a very different context, to the present
situation.  Just how does my experience singing with a choir make this
company money again?

Since we have the methods of open space and organisational
transformation well worked out, my assumption is that the only thing
that could possibly continue to cause such a system blockage to openness
is wrong measurement

Measurement uber alles is tricky because it immediately privileges the
quantifiable over the qualifiable.  And certainly, we need to measure
things, but I'm leering of forcing qualitative experiences into
measurement-friendly formats.  By necessity it strips what is most
important about the experience.

How do we measure the effect an OST meeting has on a person that has
suddenly seen the possibilities offered by truly self-organizing work
teams?


It seems to me it's a case of taking the arguments of wrong measurement
and open space together if we wish to sustain transformation through any
conflict that traditional organisations are almost perfectly geared to
compound


Taking these things together gives a true picture of the organization.
Measure what you can measure, interpret what needs interpretation.
Include both as ways of generating understanding and making meaning out
of organizational endeavours.

Chris


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