On self-organizingI think we (humans) made life toooo complex and got now lost in the middle of artificial needs, necessities, requirements and organizations.
Every systems exists not for itself but only to serve another system...it ends when it stops serving something. And this service can be very simple...(such as serving our body by keeping it healthy or others by just smiling).....and then the service is complete and we die...end.....(point) And this service whether we are conscious or not is happening all the time...(=self organizing systems) We exagerated life and we don't now now how to get out of it (end, finsih, die) Funda ----- Original Message ----- From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:45 AM Subject: Re: On self-organizing Funda Wrote: OK i agree there must be an end....but still "how it will end" is important...elegant or not elegant? I totally agree. It is not whether or not things will end, that you will die, or that the organizations we work for, and may have "created" - will end. Everything does. The real question is - With what meaning? So what would you hope for? What would be worth dying for?? I guess that is a little blunt, but I find it is a question that puts a lot of things in perspective. Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm osl...@listserv.boisestate..edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Funda Oral Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:46 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: On self-organizing Harrison-i am happily reading all answers, thank you. OK i agree there must be an end....but still "how it will end" is important...elegant or not elegant? ----- Original Message ----- From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate..edu Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: On self-organizing Funda - I would believe that answer to your question (do they have to sustain or survive???.......) is no. Fact of the matter is that all Living Systems have a beginning, middle and end. We love the beginning, tolerate the middle, and don't want to talk about the end. And that leads to all sorts of interesting mental gymnastics. Here in the US, very few people actually ever die, at least that would seem to be the case if you listen to how people talk. It is said - So and so "passed on," "took the big trip," "Passed to the other side" - But it seems that nobody ever dies. The same is true when we talk about organizations. Somehow they are supposed to live for ever, and when the end comes that is automatically taken as failure. Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm osl...@listserv.boisestate....edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Funda Oral Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:00 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: On self-organizing all systems are self organizing but not all systems are living (sustaining) i don't know Funda ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Copleman To: osl...@listserv.boisestate...edu Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: On self-organizing My vote goes to: All systems are self-organizing, and... There is no such thing as a non-living system. 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