Therese -- when you go around in circles (or spirals) who knows where you will come out. I don't think anybody has accused Ken Wilber of creating Spiral Dynamics. And just to display my own biases (critical judgment?), why would he want to when his own work, in my humble opinion, is above, beyond, and deeper than all the spirals. But the problem with Wilber's stuff is that for all of its elegance and profundity, it is almost impossible to make practical applications. I think Wilber has understood that, which may be why he has been a supporter of Spiral Dynamics. My own take is that if I want to jump into the infinite majesty (to say nothing of complexity) manifest in the evolution of human consciousness -- Ken Wilber has few peers. But when it comes to practical applications, my poor, aged head just can't get the few remaining neurons and synapses to surround the multi-colored hues of Spiral dynamics. I prefer the original -- The Great Chain of Being. Different strokes for different folks!
And for those of you who may be reading this with some small degree of skepticism or confusion. Don't worry. That said you really might enjoy a good read with something like Ken Wilber's "A Brief History of Everything." Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20845 Phone 301-365-2093 Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Therese Fitzpatrick Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:56 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Research Reminder Just a small response to Larry's passing comment about "Ken Wilber and Spiral Dynamics". Ken Wilber did not develop the Spiral Dynamics (SD) model and his use of Spiral Dynamics has revealed a bit of a schism in SD circles. Since the topic is 'research', I just felt a mile need to clarify that Ken Wilber's Spiral Dynamics is not considered Spiral Dynamics by everyone. On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:33:39 +0100, Lucas Gonzalez <lg...@yahoo.es> wrote: > --- Harrison Owen <hho...@comcast.net> escribió: > > OK Larry :-) I have a 400 person OS with a major health care > > provider. I am > > forwarding them the material, and if they are agreeable, we are off > > to the > > races. > > Wow - that would make it two on health-care! > > Is health-care particularly complex? I'm biased as that's where I > work. And yes, they are planning a local meeting which will not be in > open space at all. > > What makes an organisation or situation particularly complex? Any > examples of something that looked complex and was not so, or the other > way round? My initial guess is that complexity is always present, even > if we don't look at it. But I'm not sure. > > Lucas > > ______________________________________________ > Renovamos el Correo Yahoo!: ¡250 MB GRATIS! > Nuevos servicios, más seguridad > http://correo.yahoo.es > > * > * > ========================================================== > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: > http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist > -- Warmly, Therese Fitzpatrick * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist