Just for the record - the words, "What do we want to show and what do we actually show?" are Mizra's title
not Mizra but Mirza is the correct name. --- Original Message ----- From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 6:25 PM Subject: Re: YNT: Opening Space in some different ways Just for the record - the words, "What do we want to show and what do we actually show?" are Mizra's title. As often happens, the formatting got lost in the transmission. ho Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Tree Fitzpatrick Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:45 AM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: YNT: Opening Space in some different ways Harrison wrote (maybe these are Mizra's words coming to us through Harrison?): "What do we want to show and what do we actually show?" Tree responds: When I read this statement in HO's email, I expected a completely AND TOTALLY different discussion. I thought Harrison was going to talk about how in life (or open space) we can all do our best to communicate whatever it is we want to communicate but as soon as our words leave us and other people hear and/or read our words, we lose all control over how they will be understood because every single human being has their own unique set of filters. Still, even though Harrison's email with Mizra's dialogue (how do all you people get so fluent in writing English when it is not your second language? I am so humbled by all the non-English speakers on this list who write so well in English.) focussed on the Danish cartoon phenomenon, FOR ME, HO's email still has, for me, the meaning I first gave it. For me, the message is that it is very important to be clear within ourselves about what message we are trying to communicate. . . but it is also very important to always remember that we cannot control how others will perceive or understand our message. Then Filiz wrote: I do not feel comfortable with any text that condemns a whole group (muslims in this case) with a certain behavior and puts everyone in the same box... Tree responds: The text Filiz is commenting on did not, in my perception, condemn anyone. I read it, I think, as a parable that laid out some ways to think about the Danish cartoons phenomenon. I read it as an invitation to think. My 'reaction' to Mizra's dialogue is no more or no less valid than, for example, Filiz's. Then Funda wrote: i am not comfortable with boxes at all and those who see each other through boxes. Tree responds: I do not think I know anyone who is so evolved that they have no preconceived filters that they use as they interact with other human beings. We all carry filters. Maybe a newborn infant has no preconceived cultural filters (we could call such filters boxes). Now I am sitting here with an inquiry of my own: what was HO trying to show us? And what did he show us? * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist
