I have always found force to be a blunt instrument at best to be used only as a last resort and then sparingly. Problem is that it just doesn't work very well and the long term results, to say nothing of unintended consequences, are problematic to say the least. Flower smelling, on the other hand, tends to produce a more measured approach and long lasting results. So the issue is -- do you actually want to get something done well -- of just make a big splash and usually a bigger mess?
Harrison Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, Maryland 20854 Phone 301-365-2093 Skype hhowen Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org Personal website www.ho-image.com OSLIST: To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: www.listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html -----Original Message----- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of John Rapp Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 2:26 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Seeds of self-organisation Harrison, How do you view coercion? "Force is not the way at all," enjoins Lao Tzu. But my own experience is that those of us who smell & allow the flowers to bloom are subject to others who prefer to push the river. They may/often fail, eventually. They affect a lot, now. Best, John Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> wrote: > Christy -- I hate to seem like piling on -- but from where I sit self > organization is well beyond the seeding stage. It is in full bloom > and has > been for 13.7 billion years. It is just that some people won't stop > to smell > the flowers. Their loss. > > Harrison > > Harrison Owen > 189 Beaucaire Ave > Camden, ME 04843 > 207-763-3261 (Summer) > 301-365-2093 (Winter) > Website www.openspaceworld.com > Personal Website www.ho-image.com > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of > Michael M > Pannwitz > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:43 AM > To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > Subject: Seeds of self-organisation > > Dear Christine, > I intrigued myself with your images: > unleashing self-organisation, stuffing the genie back into the bottle, > seeds taking root... > Even though I assume to understand what you mean, it struck me that I > want to be more clear on the following: > - there is no way to "leash" self organisation > - its never been in a bottle > - its already deeply rooted, regardless of how much control or > ignoring > is employed. > I know that an OST event can be shut down hard and quick when control > takes hold but, of course, self-organisation will not be shut down. > To me, these "subtleties" are important, because I humble myself with > them and liberate myself from wanting to figure out the system or > being > attached to outcome...helping me to focus ("simply")on attempting to > hold time and space. > Greetings from Berlin where the first radishes of the year found their > way from our garden to the kitchen table today... > mmp > > Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote: >> John & Rory, > ...... >> >> John, what is also of interest to me is when the sponsors seem to be >> ready to unleash self-organization and once the genie is out of the >> bottle, want to try to stuff it back in. In those cases, I watch for >> where the self-organization seeds have taken root, even if the formal >> system seems to be ignoring them. >> >> Thanks for the great discussion. >> >> Warm wishes from toasty Phoenix, >> >> Christine >> >> >> * >> * >> ========================================================== >> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >> ------------------------------ >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >> view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: >> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html >> >> To learn about OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: >> http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >> >> >> Christine Whitney Sanchez >> Collaborative Wisdom & Strategy >> 480.759.0262 >> www.christinewhitneysanchez.com >> Skype: christinewhitneysanchez >> P Please consider the environment before printing this email >> >> On May 14, 2009, at 8:26 AM, Rory O'Connor wrote: >> >> Hi John & Christine, >> >> I'm probably more practised in Spiral Dynamics that OST - which is >> not >> saying a whole lot. What I thought Spiral Dynamics could bring to OST >> was insight into how we might engage with people at all stages of the >> process - from forming the theme i.e. someone living in CO/Red Life >> conditions is not going to want to sit around and reach consensus >> on a >> theme. Likewise, DP/Blue and ER/Orange are probably going to have >> different questions that need to be answered in order to feel >> comfortable with the process. I do find that people living in FS/ >> Green >> are probably most open to Open Space because of the emphasis on >> valuing >> other human beings. GT/Yellow might use it if/when it is >> appropriate to >> the Life Conditions of the people they are working with. They may opt >> for something else if THAT is what is required. >> >> It's not to say that OST would not work, it's just that how it's >> introduced may need to be tweaked. And again, my caveat on all this >> is >> that I have only facilitated a handful of OST events >> >> I'd love to explore more about how both OST and Spiral Dynamics might >> inform each other, and look forward to your response. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rory >> >> >> On 14 May 2009, at 15:52, Christine Whitney Sanchez wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> I suspect many of us on the list have "dabbled in Spiral Dynamics". >>> I've seen OST as a second tier methodology that works all the way >>> down >>> the spiral. How about you? >>> >>> Warm wishes on this beautiful Phoenix morning, >>> >>> Christine >>> * * ========================================================== >>> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To >>> subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >>> osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu: >>> http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html To learn about >>> OpenSpaceEmailLists and OSLIST FAQs: http://www.openspaceworld.org/oslist >>> >>> Christine Whitney Sanchez >>> Collaborative Wisdom & Strategy >>> 480.759.0262 >>> www.christinewhitneysanchez.com >>> Skype: christinewhitneysanchez >>> P Please consider the environment before printing this email >>> >>> On May 13, 2009, at 12:33 PM, John Rapp wrote: >>> >>> Michael/Peggy & fellow OSTers -- I've used OS/WR principles for many >>> years in my work, which is mainly in & around law firms. I did 2 >>> major open spaces, both for 100 so people, in Jakarta (1999) and >>> Taipei (2002). Both were very successful on the day, and sources of >>> sadness after, as the "powers" chose to ignore 99% of what came up. >>> >>> I want to try again, as one of my personal missions is improve the >>> world by changing the practice of law/yers. I'd love to help, and >>> hear others' experiences with law. And anyone who has dabbled in >>> Spiral Dynamics in this context would pique interest too. >>> >>> Best >>> John >>> >>> On May 9, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Peggy Holman >>> <pe...@opencirclecompany.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Michael, >>>> >>>> I did an OS with a law firm a few years ago. It included all of >>>> the >>>> support staff and none of the attorneys. It was a productive, >>>> successful meeting for them. The main thing I'd say is that we >>>> were >>>> a strange cultural mix. They never really felt that comfortable >>>> with >>>> me, but they sure liked the experience. As an example of the >>>> cultural challenge, I often suggest a few minutes of silence when a >>>> group gets together at the end of the day or on the second morning. >>>> This is one of the few groups that made it clear that this didn't >>>> work for them. It just made them uncomfortable. So, after >>>> trying it >>>> once, we simply got on to talking about the day. >>>> >>>> Peggy >>>> >>>> ______________________________ >>>> Peggy Holman >>>> The Open Circle Company >>>> 15347 SE 49th Place >>>> Bellevue, WA 98006 >>>> 425-746-6274 >>>> www.opencirclecompany.com >>>> >>>> For the new edition of The Change Handbook, go to: >>>> www.bkconnection.com/ChangeHandbook >>>> >>>> "An angel told me that the only way to step into the fire and not >>>> get >>>> burnt, is to become >>>> the fire". >>>> -- Drew Dellinger >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 30, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Michael Wood wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am talking with a bunch of lawyers in a couple of weeks about >>>>> "sustainability" in the legal profession. i.e. sustainability of >>>>> the >>>>> lawyers themselves since they often seem to work under such >>>>> punishing conditions - depression on the increase etc. >>>>> >>>>> Any stories out there about use of Open Space in law firms? >>>>> >>>>> Michael Wood >>>>> * * 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