Dear Artur,
are you certified to read all by yourself?
hugs
mmp

On 09.08.2013 13:27, Artur Silva wrote:
Eva:

I understand what you are saying. But every point you have mentioned is
very well explained in the User's Guide.

I know that there are people that say that they apply Open Space, and
have never attended one event (not to mention a course) and have never
read the book. But that is something one has to learn to live with.

In that respect, if I were a Christian, I would join the reformist
church. I would not believe in a Catholic hierarchy to explain me the
Book (Bible); I would prefer to read it myself!
Bye
Artur

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*Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?

Here it comes again :-)
Of course you can never certify someone and by that promise that the
person will behave in a conform way. But I must say that I sometimes
have missed some sort of certificate to at least know that the
OS-facilitator have gone through some sort of training - not that that
is a proof of success or anything but hopefully that person has been
introduced to the essence of Open Space such as the marketplace, the
principles, the law etc. That said is because I have sometimes got the
reaction when I have talked about OST - "Oh that, we have tried open
space and that was nothing for us" - and as I am a curious person of
course I ask why, and when they start to explain how their open space
experience was - I can say - "that was NOT open space". There have been
cases where they had not had the freedom to choose topics, not have the
freedom to use their feet and so on. And in my fantasy there will be
less drifts from the original form with some kind of training followed
by a certificate. And of course there is no proof that the certificate
made the facilitator do it "the right way" we always do it our ways, but
still - there is some essences that needs to be to call it Open Space -
at least for me.
My 2 cents
:o)
Eva

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9 aug 2013 kl. 06.45 skrev Chris Weaver:

Greetings All,

Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot.  It is an honor to join
a thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and
love) so much.  I invite you to settle in for rather a long story,
which may, at some point, have something to do with "certification."

After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked
around as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years
ago, from which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu,
I believe), with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and
brilliant facilitators (I remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart,
Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I
sweetly strove to wrap my head at least half-way around.

For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to
facilitate some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I
recall) in the Seattle school where I worked as a teacher.  In 1999 I
landed here in North Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop
as part of the Genuine Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams
who had recently landed a few hours away.

Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time
there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work
and the work of some other OS facilitators.  I do not know, nor need
to know, the details.  But I do know that there are some points of
practice that have generated some heated passion in the community and
that I think are worthy of putting on the storytelling table.  (I know
that there is not supposed to be a table, but I suddenly imagine
myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy, Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere
with a rough wooden table, on which I am happily uncorking a bottle of
pinot noir.)

When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I
received a certificate, but not a certification.  (The distinction is
important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part
to evaluate my "competence" in any way.)  Based on my participation in
the four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an
authorized "Genuine Contact professional."  The workshop included an
exploration of the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in
Harrison's /User's Guide. /The workshop also shared some suggested
approaches and tools for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST
meeting (usually a leadership team within an organization), both prior
to and after the OST event.  My own understanding is that, by
referring to myself as a GC professional if I chose, I would be
sharing the simple message that I had had exposure to the approach of
using OST that included these pre- and post-OST meeting practices and
tools.  The choice of whether and how to apply these practices and
tools was up to me.

So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of
certification.  As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of
OST as Harrison's "discovery" and gift to the world.  I refer people
to the /User's Guide/ (and also the /Non-User's Guide /and other
community resources) frequently.

As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in
workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine
Contact Program (most notably /Whole Person Process Facilitation/,
which I use very often).  I collaborated with my Genuine Contact
colleagues around the world in developing the minimal appropriate
structure for our international community.  I participated in many
mentoring circles, completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and
became one of the 43 "co-owners" of the program.  I also shifted my
virtual community participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the
OSLIST for a number of years.  (I am enjoying being back.)

So here, the plot thickens :-).  One of the practices included in the
GC "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens."  So,
lubricated with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the
wooden storytelling table for our enjoyment.  (This is worthy of its
own thread, of course, but I'll just keep going here.)

I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator.
 Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community
organizations.  Over the years, I have come to value highly the
practices I learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to
and after an OST (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre-
and post- meetings such as these are skillfully used and valued).

In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the
sponsoring team is to assist them in considering the state of their
organization.  What is the story-line that has brought them to
considering an OST meeting?  What's happening in terms of the grief
cycle within their organization?  What (deeply now) is the /purpose/
of the meeting?  What (deeply now) is the /context? /Basically, I ask
the questions, and the team has the conversations.  All this I
explicitly place in the reality that when you sponsor an OST, there is
not, nor should there be, any turning back.

I use the givens as an essential tool in this process.  I draw a
circle on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open
space, what are the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the
open space?

In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on
this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is
to close the space before it is even opened.  My long-haul experience
within organizations has taught me something different.

What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch
of stuff goes up on the flip chart.  Then, I probe each one, and ask,
"Is this REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?"  The fifteen
givens get whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe
five (ish).  As you can imagine, the level of trust that
organizational leaders have in the people plays in heavily.  I let it
be.  I cannot make them trust more; I can only model trust, and hold
space for trust.

But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very
important and meaningful.  Some examples:  Perhaps the organizational
purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the
organizational purpose at the start of the OST.  Perhaps there has
been a year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that
has culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is
aware of, and that policy is a given.  Perhaps a "law of the land"
that administrators, but not all participants, know about is a given.
 Perhaps it is a given that the organization will stay within a
certain budget, and any ideas generated beyond the budget will have to
include the funding source to support them.

Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST.  In
my experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the
space clearly and honestly.  More importantly, it is a tool for
building trust.  When participants hear their formal organizational
leaders share, clearly and transparently, what the givens are, they
are more trusting that their own ideas will be honored after the
meeting and not squelched.

And this is what happens.  Using givens is a way to profoundly
mitigate the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is
familiar, of leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results
of an OST.  The practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive
chaos and re-framing that happens after the meeting, but it greatly
reduces the phenomenon of /reactionary fear/ on the part of formal
leadership.  The result is that leadership is more inclined to sponsor
another OST soon, and indeed to invite other groups withing the
organization to utilize OST themselves.

Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I
have a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face.
 Perhaps an organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I
have not yet encountered this.  In the school where I work, there is a
fragile and indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose
responsibility it is to hold the space for the organization in the
community.  When leadership is in its integrity, followership is a
natural and beautiful thing.

Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses.  Sadly,
I won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according
to the odd and illusory parameters of space & time.

Take Care, with Love,
Chris






On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read
<donna.r...@managing4wellness.org
<mailto:donna.r...@managing4wellness.org>> wrote:

    Amen to that, Harrison!  Blessings, Donna

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net
    <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote:

    Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused
    (certifiable) I can attest that if at any point I were to
    intimate that I actually knew what I was doing, that would be a
    significant error. However I feel quite comfortable in my
    not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not something
    I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to
    invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what
    they already are. It always works, and it works even better when
    I get out of the way. ____
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    *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:17 PM
    *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list
    *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?____
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    having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff,
    i can attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i
    know much or should be let near the folks in your organization.____
    ____
    jeff.____
    On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman
    <pe...@peggyholman.com <mailto:pe...@peggyholman.com>> wrote:____
    To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ____
    __ __
    Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments
    on certification. ____
    __ __
    I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than
    certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of
    who am I hiring?  To be trained by the creator, or by someone who
    trained with creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a
    variety of practice traditions through the ages.____
    __ __
    Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.____
    __ __
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    On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan
    <ch...@chriscorrigan.com <mailto:ch...@chriscorrigan.com>> wrote:____


    ____
    Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes
    clearer and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which
    predated Open Source) was sheer genius.  There is an expression
    in english: "Closing the barn doors after the horse has left."
     It's too late to certify people in Open Space Technology, and
    thank God! ____
    __ __
    You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand
    and the reason is simple.____
    __ __
    Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model
     In other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed
    to work the way we say it is going to work.  If it doesn't you
    can have your money back and we'll give you a new one that works.
     Every product can be tested before it leaves the factory to be
    sure it works reliably,____
    __ __
    You simply cannot do that with facilitators.  No amount of
    certification will guarantee that a client will get what they
    want every single time.  And a facilitator taking a single
    training in Open Space or some other method will by definition
    NOT be perfect leaving the factory.  You need to develop a
    practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that
    will challenge and surprise you.  "Be Prepared to Be Surprised"
    is the only certification I can reliably give to anyone that has
    trained with me.  We are not engineers, architects or doctors.
     We are people whose skill is in responding well to myriad and
    changing contexts.____
    __ __
    The International Association of Facilitators went down this
    route.  I have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who
    are certified by the IAF.  So much so that I have no faith in
    that certification as standing for anything.  It is a worthy idea
    but it simply cannot be implemented.____
    __ __
    Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using
    markers and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure
    is a brand.  In a few more decades, with any luck, the world will
    have forgotten where it all came from and it will just become a
    basic operating system of groups.  In the last 10 years that
    prospect has really come on as people have stolen, mashed up,
    mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology.
     Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing
    things, and will only become more so.  Most conference goers for
    example are now able to report on conference evaluations that
    they would have rather had a world cafe or an Open Space than a
    keynote address.  I see it all the time.  There is a fluency in
    the world with this method and others.____
    __ __
    I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to
    certify Open Space.  If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all
    down on paper, refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I
    wonder what gives anyone else the right to do it. ____
    __ __
    And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something
    that really has an impact in the world.  Offer it up and let it
    go and only defend it from those that would try to own it.
     Thankfully Open Space Technology I think is at a place in the
    world where it defies ownership.  Anyone who tries it will simply
    be laughed off the stage. ____
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    On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson
    <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnars...@simnet.is>>
    wrote:____
    I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of
    the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that
    trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar
    is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy
    protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming
    from the
    property that the brand name is.

    The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand
    names
    is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will
    fuel the
    flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that
    can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a
    business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some
    tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill.

    When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant
    saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve".

    By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of
    mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This
    scare can
    be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to
    prepare to
    be of more benefit for my future clients.

    Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I
    think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is
    some
    sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central
    idea and core philosophy in a practise.

    On Certification, my vote would go for "no central
    Certification", but
    I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and
    create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches
    and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to
    get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies.

    That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the
    "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open
    space.

    By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open
    space and
    begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open
    space
    in my country) has been ruining there work experiences.

    This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now.

    With the breeze from Iceland
    Kári____


    On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net
    <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote:
    > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a
    perennial topic. I
    > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible
    idea. My
    > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The
    thought of
    > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting
    the brand” is
    > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the
    certifiers
    > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be
    taking care
    > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort
    of Open
    > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly)
    > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say
    so. I recall
    > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of
    the “program”
    > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of
    here.” And he
    > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.”
    Best of all  ---
    > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!!
    >
    >
    >
    > Harrison
    >
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    >
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