Dear Michael :-) Theres a bit more into it isn¨t it... cheers :o) Bästa hälsningar Eva P Svensson EPS Human Invest AB Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc Medlem i Beyond Performance Group "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående företag och organisationer" Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50 www.epshumaninvest.se Skype: eva.p.svensson Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB twitter:@EvaPSvensson
"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates 9 aug 2013 kl. 15.10 skrev Michael M Pannwitz: > Dear Eva, > if you sent me a piece of paper on which you have handdrawn a circle and > written "selforganisation" in Swedish into it, I will certify you for > whatever you want. But dont forget the 5000 Euro. > Cheers > mmp > > On 09.08.2013 12:34, Eva P Svensson wrote: >> Here it comes again :-) >> Of course you can never certify someone and by that promise that the >> person will behave in a conform way. But I must say that I sometimes >> have missed some sort of certificate to at least know that the >> OS-facilitator have gone through some sort of training - not that that >> is a proof of success or anything but hopefully that person has been >> introduced to the essence of Open Space such as the marketplace, the >> principles, the law etc. That said is because I have sometimes got the >> reaction when I have talked about OST - "Oh that, we have tried open >> space and that was nothing for us" - and as I am a curious person of >> course I ask why, and when they start to explain how their open space >> experience was - I can say - "that was NOT open space". There have been >> cases where they had not had the freedom to choose topics, not have the >> freedom to use their feet and so on. And in my fantasy there will be >> less drifts from the original form with some kind of training followed >> by a certificate. And of course there is no proof that the certificate >> made the facilitator do it "the right way" we always do it our ways, but >> still - there is some essences that needs to be to call it Open Space - >> at least for me. >> My 2 cents >> :o) >> Eva >> >> Bästa hälsningar >> >> Eva P Svensson >> >> *EPS Human Invest AB* >> */Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc/* >> */Medlem i Beyond Performance Group/* >> >> /"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående >> företag och organisationer"/ >> >> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA >> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg >> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50 >> www.epshumaninvest.se <http://www.epshumaninvest.se/> >> Skype: eva.p.svensson >> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB >> twitter:@EvaPSvensson >> >> */"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor >> till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates/* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 9 aug 2013 kl. 06.45 skrev Chris Weaver: >> >>> Greetings All, >>> >>> Ah, I can't resist jumping in to stir the pot. It is an honor to join >>> a thread peopled by so many folks whom I respect (and appreciate and >>> love) so much. I invite you to settle in for rather a long story, >>> which may, at some point, have something to do with "certification." >>> >>> After learning of Open Space in Anne Stadler's kitchen, I walked >>> around as a newbie at the OSonOS in Monterrey (the one fifteen years >>> ago, from which Harrison was unexpectedly absent, due to a nasty flu, >>> I believe), with my jaw hanging open to meet so many bold and >>> brilliant facilitators (I remember especially Michael P, Alan Stewart, >>> Brian Bainbridge, Roxy, and Birgitt Bolton) sharing stories that I >>> sweetly strove to wrap my head at least half-way around. >>> >>> For a few years I engaged actively on the OSLIST as I began to >>> facilitate some OST meetings (without even "finishing the book," as I >>> recall) in the Seattle school where I worked as a teacher. In 1999 I >>> landed here in North Carolina, where I attended my first OST workshop >>> as part of the Genuine Contact Program with Birgitt (Bolton) Williams >>> who had recently landed a few hours away. >>> >>> Now I will say that I have an assumption only that at around that time >>> there was something of a "falling out" between Birgitt and her work >>> and the work of some other OS facilitators. I do not know, nor need >>> to know, the details. But I do know that there are some points of >>> practice that have generated some heated passion in the community and >>> that I think are worthy of putting on the storytelling table. (I know >>> that there is not supposed to be a table, but I suddenly imagine >>> myself with Jeff, Chris, Peggy, Harrison, Michael in a pub somewhere >>> with a rough wooden table, on which I am happily uncorking a bottle of >>> pinot noir.) >>> >>> When I completed the Genuine Contact "Working with OST" workshop, I >>> received a certificate, but not a certification. (The distinction is >>> important because there was no intention on the workshop leader's part >>> to evaluate my "competence" in any way.) Based on my participation in >>> the four-day experience, I could, if I chose, refer to myself as an >>> authorized "Genuine Contact professional." The workshop included an >>> exploration of the form & essence of OST, as gifted so effectively in >>> Harrison's /User's Guide. /The workshop also shared some suggested >>> approaches and tools for working in depth with the sponsor of an OST >>> meeting (usually a leadership team within an organization), both prior >>> to and after the OST event. My own understanding is that, by >>> referring to myself as a GC professional if I chose, I would be >>> sharing the simple message that I had had exposure to the approach of >>> using OST that included these pre- and post-OST meeting practices and >>> tools. The choice of whether and how to apply these practices and >>> tools was up to me. >>> >>> So that is the part that relates to this thread topic of >>> certification. As a practitioner, I honor the open-source nature of >>> OST as Harrison's "discovery" and gift to the world. I refer people >>> to the /User's Guide/ (and also the /Non-User's Guide /and other >>> community resources) frequently. >>> >>> As an aside, I continued in the years that followed to participate in >>> workshops on other methodologies that are shared through the Genuine >>> Contact Program (most notably /Whole Person Process Facilitation/, >>> which I use very often). I collaborated with my Genuine Contact >>> colleagues around the world in developing the minimal appropriate >>> structure for our international community. I participated in many >>> mentoring circles, completed the Train the Trainer workshop, and >>> became one of the 43 "co-owners" of the program. I also shifted my >>> virtual community participation to the GC List, and dropped off of the >>> OSLIST for a number of years. (I am enjoying being back.) >>> >>> So here, the plot thickens :-). One of the practices included in the >>> GC "Working with OST" workshop is the use of...the "givens." So, >>> lubricated with wine, I am going to place the notion of givens on the >>> wooden storytelling table for our enjoyment. (This is worthy of its >>> own thread, of course, but I'll just keep going here.) >>> >>> I have only infrequently worked as an external consultant/facilitator. >>> Most of my work with OST has been within schools and community >>> organizations. Over the years, I have come to value highly the >>> practices I learned in the GCP of working with the sponsor prior to >>> and after an OST (and I know that among other OST facilitators, pre- >>> and post- meetings such as these are skillfully used and valued). >>> >>> In my experience, the purpose of careful preparation with the >>> sponsoring team is to assist them in considering the state of their >>> organization. What is the story-line that has brought them to >>> considering an OST meeting? What's happening in terms of the grief >>> cycle within their organization? What (deeply now) is the /purpose/ >>> of the meeting? What (deeply now) is the /context? /Basically, I ask >>> the questions, and the team has the conversations. All this I >>> explicitly place in the reality that when you sponsor an OST, there is >>> not, nor should there be, any turning back. >>> >>> I use the givens as an essential tool in this process. I draw a >>> circle on a flip chart and say, If this circle represents the open >>> space, what are the non-negotiables that form the parameters of the >>> open space? >>> >>> In the past, there have been passionate objections to this practice on >>> this list, based, I think, on the belief that to establish givens is >>> to close the space before it is even opened. My long-haul experience >>> within organizations has taught me something different. >>> >>> What happens when I ask what the non-negotiables are is that a bunch >>> of stuff goes up on the flip chart. Then, I probe each one, and ask, >>> "Is this REALLY a given at this time for this meeting?" The fifteen >>> givens get whittled down to twelve, and then eight, and then maybe >>> five (ish). As you can imagine, the level of trust that >>> organizational leaders have in the people plays in heavily. I let it >>> be. I cannot make them trust more; I can only model trust, and hold >>> space for trust. >>> >>> But I also find that the few givens that remain are, every time, very >>> important and meaningful. Some examples: Perhaps the organizational >>> purpose is a given, and perhaps there is value in re-sharing the >>> organizational purpose at the start of the OST. Perhaps there has >>> been a year of good work by a sub-group within the organization that >>> has culminated in a policy that not everyone attending the OST is >>> aware of, and that policy is a given. Perhaps a "law of the land" >>> that administrators, but not all participants, know about is a given. >>> Perhaps it is a given that the organization will stay within a >>> certain budget, and any ideas generated beyond the budget will have to >>> include the funding source to support them. >>> >>> Yes, the givens are shared with the group at the start of the OST. In >>> my experience, this does not close the space, but rather it opens the >>> space clearly and honestly. More importantly, it is a tool for >>> building trust. When participants hear their formal organizational >>> leaders share, clearly and transparently, what the givens are, they >>> are more trusting that their own ideas will be honored after the >>> meeting and not squelched. >>> >>> And this is what happens. Using givens is a way to profoundly >>> mitigate the phenomenon, with which any seasoned OST facilitator is >>> familiar, of leadership freaking out and clamping down on the results >>> of an OST. The practice does not (thankfully) prevent the productive >>> chaos and re-framing that happens after the meeting, but it greatly >>> reduces the phenomenon of /reactionary fear/ on the part of formal >>> leadership. The result is that leadership is more inclined to sponsor >>> another OST soon, and indeed to invite other groups withing the >>> organization to utilize OST themselves. >>> >>> Perhaps because I have worked inside organizations for many years, I >>> have a deep respect for the challenges that formal leaders face. >>> Perhaps an organization is possible without any formal leaders, but I >>> have not yet encountered this. In the school where I work, there is a >>> fragile and indeed even tender respect for our formal leaders whose >>> responsibility it is to hold the space for the organization in the >>> community. When leadership is in its integrity, followership is a >>> natural and beautiful thing. >>> >>> Okay, I will pour the last of the bottle into all the glasses. Sadly, >>> I won't hear your fine words until tomorrow, but so it is, according >>> to the odd and illusory parameters of space & time. >>> >>> Take Care, with Love, >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Donna Read >>> <donna.r...@managing4wellness.org >>> <mailto:donna.r...@managing4wellness.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Amen to that, Harrison! Blessings, Donna >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 17:36, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net >>> <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jeff – as a sometime perpetrator and totally confused >>>> (certifiable) I can attest that if at any point I were to >>>> intimate that I actually knew what I was doing, that would be a >>>> significant error. However I feel quite comfortable in my >>>> not-knowing if only because the “process” (OST) is not something >>>> I “do.” Under the best of circumstances my contribution is to >>>> invite folks to do what they already know how to do – to be what >>>> they already are. It always works, and it works even better when >>>> I get out of the way. ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Harrison____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Harrison Owen____ >>>> >>>> 7808 River Falls Dr.____ >>>> >>>> Potomac, MD 20854____ >>>> >>>> USA____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer)____ >>>> >>>> Camden, Maine 04843____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093>____ >>>> >>>> (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261>____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com%20/> ____ >>>> >>>> www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com%20/> (Personal Website)____ >>>> >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives >>>> of OSLIST Go >>>> >>>> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> *From:*oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf Of >>>> *Jeff Aitken >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 08, 2013 7:17 PM >>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list >>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Certification?____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> having been trained by the motley lot who dreamed up this stuff, >>>> i can attest that even that great privilege does not mean that i >>>> know much or should be let near the folks in your organization.____ >>>> >>>> ____ >>>> >>>> jeff.____ >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Peggy Holman >>>> <pe...@peggyholman.com <mailto:pe...@peggyholman.com>> wrote:____ >>>> >>>> To be certified confused…where do I sign up? ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Chris -- thanks for your decidedly clear and unconfused comments >>>> on certification. ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> I seem to recall in some past conversation that rather than >>>> certification, lineage is alternative to the client conundrum of >>>> who am I hiring? To be trained by the creator, or by someone who >>>> trained with creator, on down the line seems to have worked for a >>>> variety of practice traditions through the ages.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Still no guarantee, as Chris noted below.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> appreciatively,____ >>>> >>>> Peggy ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Chris Corrigan >>>> <ch...@chriscorrigan.com <mailto:ch...@chriscorrigan.com>> wrote:____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____ >>>> >>>> Ohh I love this topic too, because as we go on and on it becomes >>>> clearer and clearer to me that Harrison's original idea (which >>>> predated Open Source) was sheer genius. There is an expression >>>> in english: "Closing the barn doors after the horse has left." >>>> It's too late to certify people in Open Space Technology, and >>>> thank God! ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> You simply cannot certify people as a way to protect the brand >>>> and the reason is simple.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Certification is based on an industrial quality assurance model >>>> In other words, every product leaving the factory is guaranteed >>>> to work the way we say it is going to work. If it doesn't you >>>> can have your money back and we'll give you a new one that works. >>>> Every product can be tested before it leaves the factory to be >>>> sure it works reliably,____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> You simply cannot do that with facilitators. No amount of >>>> certification will guarantee that a client will get what they >>>> want every single time. And a facilitator taking a single >>>> training in Open Space or some other method will by definition >>>> NOT be perfect leaving the factory. You need to develop a >>>> practice, and even still there are contexts and situations that >>>> will challenge and surprise you. "Be Prepared to Be Surprised" >>>> is the only certification I can reliably give to anyone that has >>>> trained with me. We are not engineers, architects or doctors. >>>> We are people whose skill is in responding well to myriad and >>>> changing contexts.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> The International Association of Facilitators went down this >>>> route. I have seen some horrible facilitation done by people who >>>> are certified by the IAF. So much so that I have no faith in >>>> that certification as standing for anything. It is a worthy idea >>>> but it simply cannot be implemented.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Open Space is a brand like brainstorming is a brand, like using >>>> markers and flipcharts is a brand, like parliamentary procedure >>>> is a brand. In a few more decades, with any luck, the world will >>>> have forgotten where it all came from and it will just become a >>>> basic operating system of groups. In the last 10 years that >>>> prospect has really come on as people have stolen, mashed up, >>>> mixed together, modified and redesigned Open Space Technology. >>>> Participatory process is becoming an acceptable way of doing >>>> things, and will only become more so. Most conference goers for >>>> example are now able to report on conference evaluations that >>>> they would have rather had a world cafe or an Open Space than a >>>> keynote address. I see it all the time. There is a fluency in >>>> the world with this method and others.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> I fundamentally distrust anyone who makes a concerted effort to >>>> certify Open Space. If Harrison Owen, the guy that put it all >>>> down on paper, refuses to do it for excellent reasons, then I >>>> wonder what gives anyone else the right to do it. ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> And for me that is a terrific example of how to steward something >>>> that really has an impact in the world. Offer it up and let it >>>> go and only defend it from those that would try to own it. >>>> Thankfully Open Space Technology I think is at a place in the >>>> world where it defies ownership. Anyone who tries it will simply >>>> be laughed off the stage. ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> Chris____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Kári Gunnarsson >>>> <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnars...@simnet.is>> >>>> wrote:____ >>>> >>>> I love the Certification dialogue and I think that the recurrence of >>>> the dialogue is necessary. As I have looked around of things that >>>> trace there roots to open space or give the impression to be similar >>>> is some way. Some of these processes have the Certification hierarchy >>>> protecting the Quality of the Brand and the revenues steaming >>>> from the >>>> property that the brand name is. >>>> >>>> The hierarchy of the Certification process associated with Brand >>>> names >>>> is a way to close space and create tension witch in turn will >>>> fuel the >>>> flow of cash from the people that can pay, excluding the people that >>>> can not. It is an exercise in creating a closed system to fuel a >>>> business plan. And naturally, any start up consultancy offering some >>>> tools will need some flow of cash to pay the phone bill. >>>> >>>> When I was at Wosonon in Berlin back in 2010, I head one participant >>>> saying. "You always have the clients that you deserve". >>>> >>>> By knowing that the space for clients is well open and the law of >>>> mobility is active from them is perhaps a little scary. This >>>> scare can >>>> be remedied by letting go of the outcome and commit time to >>>> prepare to >>>> be of more benefit for my future clients. >>>> >>>> Here I have opened up many lines of thoughts that stay with me when I >>>> think about this topic. What I would like to have written down is >>>> some >>>> sort of vision on how to go about using the open space as a central >>>> idea and core philosophy in a practise. >>>> >>>> On Certification, my vote would go for "no central >>>> Certification", but >>>> I don't mind that various offspring's of Open Space go ahead and >>>> create there own brand name with the associated cash flow headaches >>>> and salaried sales staff of Certification trainings in there bid to >>>> get a bought with a handsome cash out from lager companies. >>>> >>>> That said, I would like to see more people get interested in the >>>> "boring" methought of meeting, working and begin together called open >>>> space. >>>> >>>> By the way, I am bored to tears by people hearing about open >>>> space and >>>> begin pissed off by the way open office layout (also called open >>>> space >>>> in my country) has been ruining there work experiences. >>>> >>>> This is starting to be a long rant, Ill stop now. >>>> >>>> With the breeze from Iceland >>>> Kári____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 August 2013 14:50, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net >>>> <mailto:hho...@verizon.net>> wrote: >>>> > Certification (whatever that might mean) seems to be a >>>> perennial topic. I >>>> > suppose that is understandable, but for myself it is a horrible >>>> idea. My >>>> > reasons are several. First of all it is too much work. The >>>> thought of >>>> > developing the criteria, programs, and even worse, “protecting >>>> the brand” is >>>> > totally exhausting. We’d have to have certifiers to certify the >>>> certifiers >>>> > and so on ad infinitum. Second reason – Open Space seems to be >>>> taking care >>>> > of itself. When folks come on with “A little Open Space,” “Sort >>>> of Open >>>> > Space,” “Modified Open Space,” ... the participants (increasingly) >>>> > understand that they aren’t getting the genuine article—and say >>>> so. I recall >>>> > one instance where a large gentleman stood up in the middle of >>>> the “program” >>>> > and loudly proclaimed, “This sure ain’t Open Space! I’m out of >>>> here.” And he >>>> > walked. I guess you could call that “Market Certification.” >>>> Best of all --- >>>> > it works all by itself. One more thing not to do!! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Harrison >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Harrison Owen >>>> > >>>> > 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>> > >>>> > Potomac, MD 20854 >>>> > >>>> > USA >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >>>> > >>>> > Camden, Maine 04843 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Phone 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093> >>>> > >>>> > (summer) 207-763-3261 <tel:207-763-3261> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> >>>> > >>>> > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/> (Personal Website) >>>> > >>>> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the >>>> archives of OSLIST >>>> > Go >>>> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >____ >>>> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > OSList mailing list >>>> > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> > To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> > >>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kári Gunnarsson >>>> kari.gunnars...@simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnars...@simnet.is> >>>> gsm: +354 8645189 <tel:%2B354%208645189> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list >>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> -- ____ >>>> >>>> ---____ >>>> >>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN >>>> Facilitation - 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