Michael,
I'm sorry. I have absolutely no context to understand this story. And it
sounds so interesting. So of course I want to understand it.
I wonder if you might be willing to provide some context. For example:
when this story takes place, where this place actually is, who else is
there besides you and Harrison and Ralph Copleman, what the actual event
is all about, etc.
I'm utterly clueless: I have no idea who Ralph Copleman is.
Daniel
On 10/3/15 6:31 PM, Michael Herman wrote:
you remind me, harrison, of one morning news session years ago,
somewhere, probably OT... where ralph copleman walked to the center of
the circle and announced, all serious and mischievous at the same
time, "it's all moving!"
then put the stick down and went back to his seat.
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On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 1:47 PM, JL Walker via OSList
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I was thinking that maybe the antidote to the eventual tyranny of
structurelessness is to open space, again and again, until true
democracy can emerge.
Juan Luis
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*Asunto:* Re: [OSList] The Tyranny of Structurelessness
Hi Daniel,
Yes, this is a key piece... I see it as very similar in some ways
to what Ken Wilber wrote later,
about the "shadow side of the green meme". (Each meme has its own
shadow, as well as its own gift...)
So, I love "green". I love circles, I love non-hierarchy, etc.
And, part of the "shadow side of the green meme" is how
ideologically anti-structure it can become...
to the point where some people may not even agree that OST does,
in fact, offer a very simple and effective structure.
By way contrast, think of a situation where group of people (who
don't know about OST, and/or, who are having a power struggle
around "which process to use", and/or.... ) might easily spending
a whole weekend arguing /about /"how to self-organize
ourselves"... with a great deal more pain and frustration and a
great deal less value.
whereas, instead, IF someone knows about OST, and, a clear
invitation has been extended, and, there is enough
trust/suspension of disbelief so that participants are willing to
enter into that format,
then, we end up with a very simple and elegant structure that
allows people to self-organize beautifully....
at least that's how i see it! :-)
with all best wishes,
Rosa
*/Rosa Zubizarreta/*
/Developing Participatory and Co-intelligent Leadership
Author of *From Conflict to Creative Collaboration*
<http://www.conflict2creativity.com>/
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*www.DiaPraxis.com <http://www.DiaPraxis.com>*/
On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList
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THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
I find this essay extremely interesting. I hope you do, too.
Here is a pertinent quote, from the essay:
".../the idea of "structurelessness" does not prevent the
formation of informal structures, only formal ones."
/
Circa 1970. Context: the women's movement. Quick summary of the
main points: from the essay...
* /During the years in which the women's liberation movement has
been taking shape, a great emphasis has been placed on what
are called leaderless, structureless groups as the main -- if
not sole -- organizational form of the movement. /
* /The idea of "structurelessness," however, has moved from a
healthy counter to those tendencies, to becoming a goddess in
its own right./
* /Contrary to what we would like to believe, there is no such
thing as a structureless group. /
* /This means that to strive for a structureless group is as
useful, and as deceptive, as to aim at an "objective" news
story, "value-free" social science, or a "free" economy. A
"laissez faire" group is about as realistic as a "laissez
faire" society; the idea becomes a smokescreen for the strong
or the lucky to establish unquestioned hegemony over others. /
* /This hegemony can be so easily established because the idea
of "structurelessness" does not prevent the formation of
informal structures, only formal ones. /
* /For everyone to have the opportunity to be involved in a
given group and to participate in its activities, the
structure must be explicit, not implicit. /
* /It is this informal structure, particularly in Unstructured
groups, which forms the basis for elites./
Just in case you have not yet encountered the full text of this
essay, here it is:
THE TYRANNY of STRUCTURELESSNESS
by Jo Freeman aka Joreen
http://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm
Regards,
Daniel
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