I did a podcast conversation with Johnnie Moore and Rob Paterson on July 4 2005 where in we talked about unconferencing and Open Space.
http://johnniemoore.com/podcast-unconferencing/ <http://johnniemoore.com/podcast-unconferencing/> There is some history in that discussion, notably that we were trying to respond to people who wanted to “unconference” the traditional conference formats. Unconferencing was not a method, it was a verb. (There is also a bit where Rob speculates on the actual origins or podcasting itself) I still think of it that way: you want to unconference your gathering? Use Open Space Technology. Chris > On Aug 21, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > > Thanks. John Abbe and I hosted one in Palo Alto. It was Open Space but i > heard people also considered it to be an unconference. > > To some degree this is all like a game of Telephone in which the message > changes with each new person telling it! > > Jeff > > > On Aug 21, 2016 6:45 PM, "Michael Herman" <mich...@michaelherman.com > <mailto:mich...@michaelherman.com>> wrote: > Recent Changes Camp actually was Open Space, not unconference. We did the > first one Portland in 2006, I think, and it ran around to a number of other > places for some years. Maybe still is going. Not sure the form anymore, but > the first ones were definitely OS. > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 <tel:312-280-7838> (mobile) > > http://MichaelHerman.com <http://michaelherman.com/> > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org <http://openspaceworld.org/> > > > > On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Jeff Aitken via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> > wrote: > Kaliya Hamlin and others can surely chime in. She and friends have worked > hard to persuade folks that OST is a best way to design an Unconference such > as Barcamp or Recent Changes Camp or etc. > > See their work at unconference.net <http://unconference.net/> > Some unconferences use other participatory designs that are not OST and they > do well, or crash and burn, or what have you. > > Ps Dirk - I heard that naming the event Bar was indeed a play on the often > used term Fubar - after the Foo was found inadequate for the restless > masses... > > Onward with thanks > > Jeff > San Francisco > > > On Aug 21, 2016 1:26 PM, "Harrison Owen via OSList" > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> > wrote: > Dick -- I'm sure you are correct. And Wikipedia does tend to be a little bit > wiki... Howsomever -- by whatever name. However any time somebody starts > talking about 4 principles and the law of two feet -- sounds a little spacey > to me. Kinda of like "The Four Principles of Indian Spirituality." You can > look that up on the Web! But at the end of the day-- Who cares? I didn't > invent it. They didn't either. It's been around for a bit. Somewhat longer > than Wiki... or whatever. > > ho > > Winter Address > 7808 River Falls Dr. > Potomac, MD 20854 > 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093> > > Summer Address > 189 Beaucauire Ave > Camden, ME 04843 > 207 763-3261 <tel:207%20763-3261> > > Websites > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/> > > -----Original Message----- > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf Of Dirk Riehle via > OSList > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 3:39 PM > To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: [OSList] Foo Bar OST Re: What's the difference between BarCamp and > OST? > > If my memory serves me right (and Wikipedia seems to bear this out), the > history is the following: > > There used to be Foocamp, a conference initiated and led by Tim O'Reilly. The > Foo in Foocamp supposedly stands for Friends of O'Reilly. O'Reilly is quite > influential among what you call "the geeks". There is an alternative > explanation of "foo" in that it refers to, well, "foo", which among geeks is > a placeholder term for nothing in particular. You use it like "thingy" if you > dont really have a term at hand. A random variable name that is. > > Attendance at Foocamp was invitation-only and so eventually, some people > frustrated over not having been invited, created Barcamp as a free and open > alternative to Foocamp. Bar, like foo, is also just an empty placeholder for > nothing in particular, and in geek lingo, foo and bar always occur together, > hence foobar (no relationship to fubar as far as I know). > > I don't think there is a particular defined structure to barcamps; they are > much more loosely organized than open-space-organized events. They tend to > have an agenda wall but none or not much of the ceremony that open space > provides. So any one event may be quite different from another. Well, that's > at least how it was when I last attended such events 10 years ago. > > Talking semantics then: > > 1. Foocamp was a particular conference series. > > 2. Barcamp refers to a widely-copied conference format and is a synonym for > unconference. > > 3. Open space technology is a meeting/event facilitation technique. > > My understanding is that OST is not a conference format but rather helps > structure a meeting/event/conference in a particular way. > > You can probably tell me whether it is a good idea to embed OST in a > conference as one track, with other tracks using more traditional formats > (i.e. planned agendas). I used to structure a conference series (WikiSym, now > OpenSym, http://opensym.org <http://opensym.org/>) using OST, but later > general chairs didn't do that; they didn't like OST and probably didn't > understand it either. > > Cheers, > Dirk > > > On 21.08.2016 21 <tel:21.08.2016%2021>:15, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote: > > Eva -- you are, as usual, correct. Bar Camp has been around for some years, > > and it is a copy of OS. I think it had something to do with the geeks > > wanting to maintain something more like control. So they did the same thing > > (mostly), and called it something different. Is this called innovation? > > > > Harrison > > > > Winter Address > > 7808 River Falls Dr. > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > 301-365-2093 <tel:301-365-2093> > > > > Summer Address > > 189 Beaucauire Ave > > Camden, ME 04843 > > 207 763-3261 <tel:207%20763-3261> > > > > Websites > > www.openspaceworld.com <http://www.openspaceworld.com/> > > www.ho-image.com <http://www.ho-image.com/> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org > > <mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org>] On Behalf > > Of Eva P Svensson via OSList > > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2016 2:01 PM > > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > Subject: [OSList] What's the difference between BarCamp and OST? > > > > Dear friends, > > Today I heard a woman talking about setting up a meeting using BarCamp as a > > method. I asked her to explain to me what it was and when she did that I > > had a hard time finding the differences between that and Open Space. One > > thing was that, as she explained it, the time slots were 45 minutes then 15 > > minutes pause then new 45 minutes and so on. Otherwise it seemed more or > > less like copy and paste from Open Space. Anyone who knows more about it? > > :o) > > Eva > > > > Skickat från min iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> To unsubscribe > > send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OSList mailing list > > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> To unsubscribe > > send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > > Past archives can be viewed here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > > > > -- > Website: http://dirkriehle.com <http://dirkriehle.com/> - Twitter: > @dirkriehle Ph (DE): +49-157-8153-4150 <tel:%2B49-157-8153-4150> - Ph (US): > +1-650-450-8550 <tel:%2B1-650-450-8550> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> To unsubscribe send an email to > oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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