Harrison, I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation - it means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind and in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very disheartened if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a process and like the process of baking bread it has essential ingredients (people, commitment and good will) and many recipes (their contributions).
I hope you are in your summer palace! Maine if I recall. Feasting on lobsters perhaps? my very good wishes to you... Amanda > On 2 Aug 2019, at 15:36, Harrison Owen via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > > I must say that every time I hear talk about “certification” I do have to > smile. My immediate association is with locked facilities and men in white > coats. Years ago it became very clear to me that any sort of > Certification/accreditation didn’t make much sense. OST is free. Always has > been. I particularly loved Chris’s story about Open Space in the prison. > Truly, anybody can do it, and I hope they do. It is just like breathing… and > equally essential for life, I think. > > ho > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > Amanda Bucklow via OSList > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 9:51 AM > To: World wide Open Space Technology email list > Cc: Amanda Bucklow > Subject: Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's > OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY > training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become > CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS??? > > Dear Marai > > I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited as > follows: > > Certified would be > 1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the UK > in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need to be > ‘certified’ by a recognised body. The most common is Chartered Accountant > which is the status conferred by the Privy Council and > 2. there is a system of regulation which deals with disciplinary action the > outcome of which is legal binding. This means your ‘licence’ to practice, and > therefore you ability to earn your living, may be revoked or restricted in > some way. > > Accredited would be > 1. Trained by an organisation holding themselves out as qualified to train > but not independently verified as competent to do so > 2. A much shorter training, possibly non-standard and subject to the > perceptions of the market as to quality, and > 3. either no regulation or very light-touch regulation by a membership body, > for example. > > The first invites the public to have confidence in the ‘certification’ and to > rely on it. The second requires the consumer to make a judgment supported by > more thorough research or recommendation. > > I do hope that is not too much information :-) > > kind regards > Amanda > > > On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:36, Marai Kiele via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> > wrote: > > Dear Amanda, > > Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a > certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation? > > I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British > colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are > saying). > > So you use the word „accredited“. I believe in the US they use „certified“ > for that very situation. True? > (by the way here is a non-native English speaker from Germany asking). > > And I like your quote with your three distinctions. > > Marai > > Join the next Global Oasis for Emerging Leaders on August 26! > <https://www.eventbrite.com/e/global-oasis-for-emerging-leaders-tickets-58880372780> > > > > Am 02.08.2019 um 12:25 schrieb Facilit8 via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>: > > Dear Mark > > For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified > insane’. The rest is an illusion of certainty which is the very antithesis of > Open Space at least as I experience it. > > I appreciate your enthusiasm for the business opportunity and for > practitioners. I have found that the OSList and the wonderful discussions, > which are both challenging and respectful, to be the very best professional > development and better than any ‘regulation’ I have experienced in any > profession bar none. Wise folks here share and repeat the simplicity of what > we do in service of others. > > As I say to my student mediators: “your training means you understand the > goals and theory and your accreditation means I think you are a safe pair of > hands. Now, you turn up, pay attention and ‘be’ a mediator. There is no > certificate for that.” > > Greetings and warm wishes from a lovely sunny Hove (south coast England) > > Amanda > > Amanda Bucklow > Independent Commercial Mediator > Https://amandabucklow.co.uk <https://amandabucklow.co.uk/> > 07976 924995 > > On 1 Aug 2019, at 20:35, Mark Carmel via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> > wrote: > >> Dear World Wide Open Space Technologists, >> >> ALL we have to do ONLY requires a collective DECISION. >> >> Here is the question: Are you IN or out? >> >> Mark Carmel >> Wannabe Certified OST >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >> Past archives can be viewed here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> > Past archives can be viewed here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > <http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
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