>From SatStat:

Moto Z Play internal GPS: 712'

Z Play on Garmin Glo: 813'

Xoom internal GPS: 721'

Xoom on Garmin Glo: 813'

On Sunday, February 18, 2018 at 9:49:52 AM UTC-5, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
>
> Harry van der Wolf <[email protected] <javascript:>> writes: 
>
> Defining terms I'm using (and being not entirely precise, ignoring a lot 
> that doesn't matter for this discussion) 
>
>   ellipsoidal height: distance above WGS84 reference ellipsoid, as 
>   geometrically measured by GPS.  Not typically used by normal humans. 
>
>   orthometric height: distance above the standard equipotential (equal 
>   gravity) surface.  What people usually call "elevation".  In the US, 
>   NAVD88 is the current vertical datum, and fits in this category. 
>
>   geoid model: coefficients that vary with location to convert between 
>   ellipsoidal height and orthometric height 
>
> > Your Garmin is maybe internally corrected for that, butOsmAnd does a 
> > "clean" calculation based on the GPS info, and uses that map for 
> altitude 
> > correction. 
>
> I think you are saying (and extending) that 
>
>   OsmAnd is getting ellipsoidal height from the internal GPS receiver 
>   via a standard Android interface (and either not getting orthometric 
>   height or ignoring it) 
>
>   OsmAnd has a geoid model that might or might not have been downloaded 
>   by the user 
>
>   without the geoid model, it shows ellipsoidal height as "altitude" 
>
>   with the geoid model, it applies it and thus shows a GPS-derived 
>   orthometric height as altitude 
>
> Is that right?  And you didn't address 
>
>   do the builtin GPS receivers in phones have a geoid model, like a 
>   standalone unit typically does?  Is osmand ignoring it, or is it often 
>   not present? 
>
> Also, I would not be at all surprised if various phones behaved 
> differently and that some of them did not follow the spec, returning 
> orthometric height labelled as ellipsoidal height. 
>
>
> I would recommend to Isaac to run "SatStat", which shows "elevation".  I 
> am not quite sure if that is ellipsoidal height or orthometric height. 
> However, it's another datapoint. 
>

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