On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:47, Charles Bennett wrote: > On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:34 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote: >> >> On Dec 16, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Charles Bennett wrote: >> >>> Yes. You still know where he is. Under Saddam he would have >>> vanished along with his family. >>> You really want to argue that? >> >> I really want to argue with your whole viewpoint because I think it >> relies on a willful disregard for the facts. You speak of "parading >> around in underwear" when it is uncontested that US personnel beat >> and >> tortured detainees *to death*. > > Millions? There were only a couple that suffered that fate.
Millions? Where did he say millions? We certainly know it to be thousands. > The people that did it were punished and it was not the norm but a > CRIMINAL act and treated that way once it was discovered. > > The perpetrators are in prison. That's disingenuous to the point of outright dishonesty. > If you had your way Saddam would STILL be murdering people by the > thousands, the UN would still be skimming the oil for food project, > thousands would be dying ever year, Saddam would still be doing the > two step with the weapons inspectors and there would be no end in > sight. > > There *is* a hell of a difference to me. Which are all laudable arguments if the state before was worse than the state now. But in all cases, the situation is actually worse than the pre-invasion state. Social injustice is worse in Iraq, Afghanistan is a complete fuckup and the skimming of oil profits is not done by the UN (not when there are so many other interested parties). >> You speak of "mass graves" under Saddam >> while ignoring the fact that the rate of violent deaths in Iraq >> increased during the US conquest and occupation. > And you don't speak of them AT ALL. It's as if the millions that died > under his rule don't matter and didn't happen because it doesn't fit > your story of life being better under Saddam. I don't think anyone is saying that Saddam was a good man. We're just saying that the graves are being filled faster now - which just means "now" is "more shit now than it was". M _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
