On Dec 19, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Roger Howard wrote: > On Fri, December 19, 2008 4:10 pm, Chris Gehlker wrote: >> I certainly agree that the Dems have lost a lot of important issues. >> I just never equated 'progressives' with 'democrats'. > > I tend to boil things down to Dem/Rep, because that's what we're stuck > with, and by and large votes do come down to party divisions... and > more > than votes, it's leadership - again, major Democratic leaders may have > progressive leanings personally (and I do believe this), but they will > take centrist positions to maintain their power. Republican leaders > may > have centrist leanings, but will take far right positions to maintain > their power. In effect, we have a constant pull to the right.
Way too pessimistic. Maybe not in Orange Co. but in California generally the electorate is way to the left of your representatives. In fact your republican governor is to the left of one of your Dem senators. It's important that Blue Dogs don't get a pass simply because they have a democratic label. > > > We also rarely see concession on the issues of importance from the > Right - > their positions are so black & white to them, that compromise is > just not > possible or useful. Again, this has a net effect of pulling > everything to > the right. This is exactly my point. Right wingers don't cut anybody slack for simply being republican. I give them credit for that. They listen to the heads of their right wing organizations and media groups and give or withdraw their support accordingly. If progressives would support MoveOn or the Young Turks with the same single mindedness, they would be way ahead of the game. -- No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back. -Turkish proverb _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
