On 2009-Jan-27, at 04:19, Roger Howard wrote: >> You can always claim it is different. But is that difference the >> *real* reason why you think the apology is not OK? > > Are you this dense? > > You brought up these cases, not me.
Sorry, as I had listed things other people had said, I thought it would be obvious I meant "you" as in you people on the list. I'll remember to use "y'all" in future. > The difference has nothing to do > with why I don't believe the time is right for an apology; the > difference explains why your scenario is different and thus > irrelevant. If you really think a hypothetical involving your wife is > scalable to world politics then... wow. The point of my wife is that she wanted an apology sooner rather than later. My point to you is: I question whether you are merely avoiding the issue, by claiming that "it doesn't scale". If you won't take my wife, take Robert Redford (weird what google turns up). He's demanded an apology for the Iraq war. Or what about this (another random google): http://www.humanrightsblog.org/archives/002399.html "Pierre Trudeau said he and his government were not responsible for Canada's past, only its future. He was wrong. It matters not one whit whether human rights abuses were carried out yesterday, or decades ago. Those who occupy the seats of power today carry, and are responsible for addressing, yesterday's corrosive legacy, for the unreconciled past inevitably sends long tendrils into the present." Look, the other day I was reading and absorbing all the feel good enthusiasm and fresh hope about Obama, about America being a great country again. And then my intuition popped in with, "hm... apology... hm... no way" So I started this thread, to explore what that "no way" is about. I know it is contentious, but why? Why such knee jerk reactions, y'all calling me silly, troll, absurd, insane? Why? There are precedents, after all. Bush senior once said, "I will never apologise for my country!" I think we all know where he was coming from when he said that. But were are y'all here coming from? Roger, at least you've said that an apology may be appropriate at some point. Everyone else so far has given a blanket dismissal. > I've explained why I think Obama is neither ready nor obligated at > this point in time to make a public apology. Asking about > hypotheticals and unrelated situations is just a distraction. Just > because someone else apologized does not either make it necessary, or > useful, in this situation at this time. I've left it wide open for > making amends in the future. Should we be asking Israel to apologize > for killing innocents? Sure, it'd make us feel warm inside... and be > completely beside the point, and likely unhelpful at best. Well you'd better tell that to these people: http://political-apologies.wlu.ca/details.php?table=doc_primary&id=108 Stefano _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
