On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:54 PM, David Cake wrote:

> At 1:31 PM -0800 3/2/09, David P. Henderson wrote:
>
>
>> There is a saying over here: A
>> well-armed citizenry keeps the government honest.
>
>       That is something they say in the US because, despite
> blathering on about it, the US hasn't worked out how to use a ballot
> box.
>       It would be nice if the US stopped having such weird ideas
> about democracy, and stopped trying to export its weird ideas about
> democracy considering how bad the US is at it in practice.

Honestly David, I can't tell what you are trying to say here. From the  
inside it seems that people pretty much get exactly the government  
they want in the US. When we get a bad one it's because we want a bad  
one. Nobody was fooled about what Bush and Cheney stood for.

Maybe if you could provide an example we could follow you. At least we  
might move off the gun control thread where there hasn't  been a  
single new idea.

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Just because they're good at propaganda doesn't mean we have to be  
good at stupid.
-Marty Kaplan

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