Hello Joe:

I appreciate your answer.  However, in some ways you have muddied my
thinking because what I am trying to understand is this; what is the
dilenation, if any, when someone should be referred to OT or PT.  In
some facilities this is done by upper extremity versus lower extremity.

Thanks,

Ron

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On 3/7/2003,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

JW> Ron:

JW>  Hopefully, the doctor's verdict is not final- it is not that
JW>  unusual for it to change. What is the extent/ nature of your
JW>  injury?

JW> I agree with Maria. The practitioner should be confident/
JW> knowledgable in his area of practice. I don't believe in segregation
JW> of body parts or roles for physical and occupational therapy.
JW> Following-up from my last mailing, I would find it hard to
JW> comprehend an occupational therapist who says he is working on
JW> function, and not working directly or indirectly with its
JW> performanace components such as ROM/ ms. strength/ endurance (good
JW> buzz: activity tolerance), i.e, using the biomechanical FOR in
JW> orthopedic cases such as this. Hopefully not, otherwise any
JW> functional approach without keeping the biomechanical/
JW> kinesiological aspects in mind, could be detrimental. Or, find me a
JW> PT that is applying the biomechanical FOR but is in no way
JW> facilitating the "functional independence" of his patient. However,
JW> I am an OT myself, and believe in the global impact and range of
JW> services we offer. Especially, when you expect residual deficits, I
JW> believe the OT takes on a more crusading role as the
JW> adaptor/facilitator, teaching or ensuring optimal
JW> adaptations/compensation to minimize the disability to the best it
JW> can be. Can a PT do it, too? I am sure we all know of some PTs that
JW> could do it better than some OTs, and some OTs that can do a better
JW> job in gait analysis and training than some PTs. For those OTs AND
JW> PTs that are ready to mark their boundaries, isn't ambulation a part
JW> of basic ADLs? Both APTA's and AOTA's practice guidelines claim and
JW> cover this as their domain.

JW>  Am I proposing a merger of  titles of physical/occupational
JW> therapist? No as there are certainly other aspects to this, we are
JW> not prepared or trained for this yet, at least not yet. What would
JW> insurance companies think of this? What impact will it have on
JW> medicare dollars? What will our associations do even at the thought
JW> (it sure as occured to others)- laugh? Ron you are an enlightened
JW> health professional. What do you think the doctor, or the general
JW> public would do in your case- who should they choose? With out
JW> really knowing the difference or with out there being a real
JW> difference of professional expertise (just the difference of
JW> individual practitioner's expertise)?

JW> Joe





JW> ----- Original Message ----- 
JW>   From: Maria Aguilera 
JW>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
JW>   Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:00 PM
JW>   Subject: Re: Fwd: Treatment for a Fractured Elbow


JW>   Hi  Ron: 

JW>   Hope your elbow is recovering nicely.  I am a OTR who injuried her dominant 
elbow (non work related)many years back while practicing in Upper extremity/Hand 
Rehabilitation.  I felt pretty
JW> comfortable self treating until I realized that I needed further intervention 
ie,MRI and a clinician who was experienced with my specific injury(Tricep tear).  It 
was interferring with the
JW> quality of my clients' care.  I looked in my area and located a PT who was very 
instrumental in my successful outcome.  I think it is dependent on your comfort level 
and knowing when to seek
JW> assistance. I feel it does not matter PT vs. OT if the clinician is working within 
their knowledge and practice base.   Hope this helps.    Maria 

JW>    Ron Carson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

JW>     Hello Biraj and others:

JW>     My original question about seeing an OT or PT is really more of a
JW>     hypothetical question. While I really did fracture my elbow, it is
JW>     doubtful that I will need any therapy. The reason I was asking the
JW>     question was to hear readers opinions on when and why to refer to OT
JW>     versus PT.

JW>     Thanks,

JW>     Ron

JW>     *************************************************

JW>     On 3/2/2003,you wrote:

JW>     RC> Sorry to hear about your elbow Ron. Hope you feel better soon.

JW>     RC> As for seeing an OT or PT, won't this depend upon whom you are referred to
JW>     RC> by your Orthopedic Specialist. As well as what will your insurance carrier
JW>     RC> pay you for.

JW>     RC> Take care,

JW>     RC> Biraj

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