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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth support ticket is updated
(Connection issue on trunk) (DaZZa)
2. Re: [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth support ticket is updated
(Connection issue on trunk) (Charles Sprickman)
3. ZTE/Huawei replacement program (Jay R. Ashworth)
4. Re: [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth support ticket is updated
(Connection issue on trunk) (Seth Mattinen)
5. Re: [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth support ticket is updated
(Connection issue on trunk) (Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:44:05 +1000
From: DaZZa <dazzagi...@gmail.com>
To: Rusty Dekema <rdek...@gmail.com>
Cc: Peter Beckman <beck...@angryox.com>, outages-discussion
<outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth
support ticket is updated (Connection issue on trunk)
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You might be jesting, but this does raise an interesting philosophical
discussion point.
With so much core voice infrastructure - including emergency calls -
moving to a VoIP base, how much greater is the risk of loss of
service?
I admit to being an old school telco tech in the dim, dark past - and
the idea that some foreign actor could disrupt phone service to such a
scale in the days of PoTS was ridiculous. Gross physical events yes -
but even massive general power outages weren't a problem because (at
least down here in Australia), any exchange bigger than 100 lines or
so had both extensive battery and generator backup suitable for days
of operation.
With a significant percentage of infrastructure now in third party
DC's run by "We don't really care, just give us your money" type
companies who appear to take....casual observance of things like
backup power amd environmental services, and situations where someone
in (insert bad actor country of your choice) can marshall a botnet of
massive proportions, where does the line between critical
functionality and convenience/cost get drawn?
D - musing in the morning is never good for the digestion.
On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 09:37, Rusty Dekema <rdek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's the work of pro-TDM, anti-VoIP extremists. ;)
>
> -Rusty
>
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 7:08 PM Peter Beckman via Outages
> <outa...@outages.org> wrote:
> >
> > Our monitoring first detected the issue at 3:00:03pm US EDT (19:00:03 UTC)
> > and we detected recovery starting at 5:47:49pm US EDT (21:47:49 UTC) for a
> > total outage of 2h 47m.
> >
> > When I first called at 3:07pm the TAC was not aware of any issues. I opened
> > a ticket at 3:15pm and the status page was first updated at 3:31pm. Quite a
> > delay.
> >
> > Thanks for posting this, Bruce! I look forward to the COE/RFO, how it was
> > mitigated, and how they hope to reduce the impact of DDoS attacks in the
> > future.
> >
> > After this and the VoIP.ms DDoS, it begs the question who the bad actors
> > are and what their goals are. Infrastructure attack? Misdirection?
> > Telephony attack to end-around TFA for targeted individuals? US Government
> > Red Team?
> >
> > Beckman
> >
> > On Sat, 25 Sep 2021, Bruce Freshwater via Outages wrote:
> >
> > > From the source
> > >
> > > -bruce
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Joe DaSilva (Bandwidth Support) <ticket...@bandwidth.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:06:53 PM
> > > To: Ben Beige <bbe...@sierraexperts.com>
> > > Cc: Telephony <teleph...@sierraexperts.com>
> > > Subject: Your Bandwidth support ticket is updated (Connection issue on
> > > trunk)
> > >
> > > Joe DaSilva (Bandwidth Support)
> > >
> > > Sep 25, 2021, 6:06 PM EDT
> > >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > Bandwidth is currently experiencing a DDoS attack which is intermittently
> > > impacting our network. Our network operations and engineering teams are
> > > actively engaged in critical efforts to protect our network and fully
> > > restore all services as rapidly as possible. We will be sure to post key
> > > information and updates to status.bandwidth.com as our efforts progress
> > > and we have additional information to share.
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Peter Beckman Internet Guy
> > beck...@angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:25:09 -0400
From: Charles Sprickman <sp...@bway.net>
To: DaZZa <dazzagi...@gmail.com>
Cc: Rusty Dekema <rdek...@gmail.com>, outages-discussion
<outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth
support ticket is updated (Connection issue on trunk)
Message-ID: <83ae758f-c471-455d-8079-2ab8887e9...@bway.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> On Sep 27, 2021, at 6:44 PM, DaZZa <dazzagi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You might be jesting, but this does raise an interesting philosophical
> discussion point.
>
> With so much core voice infrastructure - including emergency calls -
> moving to a VoIP base, how much greater is the risk of loss of
> service?
>
> I admit to being an old school telco tech in the dim, dark past - and
> the idea that some foreign actor could disrupt phone service to such a
> scale in the days of PoTS was ridiculous. Gross physical events yes -
> but even massive general power outages weren't a problem because (at
> least down here in Australia), any exchange bigger than 100 lines or
> so had both extensive battery and generator backup suitable for days
> of operation.
Even worse, the industry is quickly losing people that can even remember when
things were this robust. And the ?new normal? for ?high availability? is quite
lacking. I only worked as an ISP customer in a few CLEC COs (yay dialup!), but
even the engineering involved in these facilities was pretty amazing.
It?s all a little troubling - both where the industry is at and how we still
allow bad actors to just run a 800 Gb/s+ DDoS botnet. With cooperation, this
could be solved, but now we have Cloudflare and a bunch of other companies
running a business model where the bigger the attack is, the more they get
paid, and since it is a for-profit business, all the attacker data is
proprietary.
It irks me that these vendors probably have a very good view of the botnet and
are basically only giving it to people able to pay. None of this really ends
well for anyone, especially any smaller businesses that simply can?t afford to
budget for extortion.
Charles
>
> With a significant percentage of infrastructure now in third party
> DC's run by "We don't really care, just give us your money" type
> companies who appear to take....casual observance of things like
> backup power amd environmental services, and situations where someone
> in (insert bad actor country of your choice) can marshall a botnet of
> massive proportions, where does the line between critical
> functionality and convenience/cost get drawn?
>
> D - musing in the morning is never good for the digestion.
>
> On Sun, 26 Sept 2021 at 09:37, Rusty Dekema <rdek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe it's the work of pro-TDM, anti-VoIP extremists. ;)
>>
>> -Rusty
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 7:08 PM Peter Beckman via Outages
>> <outa...@outages.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our monitoring first detected the issue at 3:00:03pm US EDT (19:00:03 UTC)
>>> and we detected recovery starting at 5:47:49pm US EDT (21:47:49 UTC) for a
>>> total outage of 2h 47m.
>>>
>>> When I first called at 3:07pm the TAC was not aware of any issues. I opened
>>> a ticket at 3:15pm and the status page was first updated at 3:31pm. Quite a
>>> delay.
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting this, Bruce! I look forward to the COE/RFO, how it was
>>> mitigated, and how they hope to reduce the impact of DDoS attacks in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>> After this and the VoIP.ms DDoS, it begs the question who the bad actors
>>> are and what their goals are. Infrastructure attack? Misdirection?
>>> Telephony attack to end-around TFA for targeted individuals? US Government
>>> Red Team?
>>>
>>> Beckman
>>>
>>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2021, Bruce Freshwater via Outages wrote:
>>>
>>>> From the source
>>>>
>>>> -bruce
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Joe DaSilva (Bandwidth Support) <ticket...@bandwidth.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2021 6:06:53 PM
>>>> To: Ben Beige <bbe...@sierraexperts.com>
>>>> Cc: Telephony <teleph...@sierraexperts.com>
>>>> Subject: Your Bandwidth support ticket is updated (Connection issue on
>>>> trunk)
>>>>
>>>> Joe DaSilva (Bandwidth Support)
>>>>
>>>> Sep 25, 2021, 6:06 PM EDT
>>>>
>>>> Good afternoon,
>>>>
>>>> Bandwidth is currently experiencing a DDoS attack which is intermittently
>>>> impacting our network. Our network operations and engineering teams are
>>>> actively engaged in critical efforts to protect our network and fully
>>>> restore all services as rapidly as possible. We will be sure to post key
>>>> information and updates to status.bandwidth.com as our efforts progress
>>>> and we have additional information to share.
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Peter Beckman Internet Guy
>>> beck...@angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Outages mailing list
>>> outa...@outages.org
>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 14:46:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Jay R. Ashworth" <j...@baylink.com>
To: outages-discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: [Outages-discussion] ZTE/Huawei replacement program
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Apparently we're serious about this:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/fcc-details-1-9-billion-program-to-rip-out-huawei-and-zte-gear-in-the-us
--
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Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:24:32 -0700
From: Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us>
To: outages-discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth
support ticket is updated (Connection issue on trunk)
Message-ID: <d6e6bb21-1fea-fcd0-fbbb-9a9e9616c...@rollernet.us>
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On 9/25/21 3:55 PM, Peter Beckman via Outages wrote:
>
> After this and the VoIP.ms DDoS, it begs the question who the bad actors
> are and what their goals are. Infrastructure attack? Misdirection?
> Telephony attack to end-around TFA for targeted individuals? US Government
> Red Team?
Someone who finally got pushed over the edge with one too many spam
calls about their car's warranty.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 07:02:49 -1000
From: "Aryn Nakaoka 808.356.2901" <anaka...@trinet-hi.com>
To: Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us>
Cc: outages-discussion <outages-discussion@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [Outages-discussion] [outages] Fwd: Your Bandwidth
support ticket is updated (Connection issue on trunk)
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DDOS is back? Do they attack during the day when it's most effective? It
was incoming from Verizon only (inbound hurts carriers more IMO) - but not
looks like its in and out.
https://status.bandwidth.com/
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On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 8:31 PM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
> On 9/25/21 3:55 PM, Peter Beckman via Outages wrote:
> >
> > After this and the VoIP.ms DDoS, it begs the question who the bad actors
> > are and what their goals are. Infrastructure attack? Misdirection?
> > Telephony attack to end-around TFA for targeted individuals? US
> Government
> > Red Team?
>
>
> Someone who finally got pushed over the edge with one too many spam
> calls about their car's warranty.
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