Yep, a lot of work to do. The Office hub should be secure (or relatively so). That is, not every app should have access to all documents. Instead I think there should be a shared "folder", and any app that wants permission to that has run a UI permission thing.
|-----Original Message----- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 3:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |I never said the Office Hub is secure. If you need a document to be shared with |apps, that's the place to put it (if we had access). If you want to secure it, then |they should use the same secure ISO model they use for Silverlight apps in the |browser. There is two ISO stores, one for the app, and one for the Site. They |can adapt that paradigm onto the phone for App & Publisher. | |But yes, they've got some work to do :) | |-----Original Message----- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 3:16 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device | |Hi Chris, | ||I'm sure they "get" mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they |were on ||to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be "left out". | |That's a completely different argument from what you earlier said: "secure |shared data" doesn't belong on a portable device". On the secure data thing, |well that's like saying you shouldn't have any contact information or any office |documents etc. They are ALL data that needs to be secure. |Today, I think the argument is they are secure by not openly allowing other |applications to access them. Jumping to a later email form you, you then |say: | " What "we" really need is access to the Office hub's documents. " |So really you are talking about secure shared data ;) | |I think the real issue is the lack of connectivity with the contacts list. |The list is designed to aggregate information, yet that is not made available. |Try for example to send a vcard. The contact list should be available, with |permission. Without that you have to setup a whole other set of aggregation |and access somewhere else, and then try to sync those two back. It should be |straight forward to insert a contact's address, name etc, etc. | |Anyway, yes the issue is they left a lot of sh*t out. I think the real prove'r for |WP& will be the rate at which they make these kinds of updates available. | | | | ||-----Original Message----- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:13 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||Hahaha. || || || ||Slap away, sure, there are offline scenarios BUT, we live in a ||connected |world ||people. Let's start acting like it :P || || || ||It's hard to communicate between apps when there are no multitasking ||scenarios, socket access blah blah. || || || ||I'm sure they "get" mobility, but as most of us know the timelines they |were on ||to cut v1. Sh*t just had to be "left out". Look at SQL CE, it's ||there, |it's on the ||device, there is just no "bridge" to get access via the end user SDK. ||The |native ||SDK have access to it. || || || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 2:02 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || || || ||Chris, put your hand out and let me slap it J - I want to be able to ||run |offline ||and I mean totally offline. Having to go through the cloud to ||communicate between applications because MS isn't smart enough to work ||out how to open |a ||channel between apps in a secure way is a sign that they don't get |mobility! || || || ||Don't get me wrong I'm not asking for full access as in the WinMo days ||- |that ||was way to cowboyish. But, MS definitely needs to consider doing ||something similar to (And I'm NOT saying the same) as Android Intents || || || ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone ||Development ||| +61 412 413 425 || ||The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not ||the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in ||this |email in ||any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails ||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own ||and |may ||not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. || || || ||-----Original Message----- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:55 PM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || || || ||"secure shared data" doesn't belong on a portable device, that can be ||a) |lost, ||stolen or hacked. || || || ||If you want something that is available to use between company apps, ||then |you ||need to have a central repo in the cloud somewhere. Sure you need to |"cache" ||it locally, but it shouldn't be available for each app, if each app |requires the ||same document, then you're doing it wrong. :) || || || ||Sure, the phone needs SQL CE, but even then, it isn't the solution. || || || ||People are just used to the Old WinMo days when you've got FULL access. || || || ||-----Original Message----- || ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy || ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:47 PM || ||To: 'ozDotNet' || ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || || || ||Yep I saw that. I had thought the same too. It was that I was ||referring to |when I ||said "hack a bitmap". || ||It's not really a good solution or a secure one. And like I said, that |people even ||consider this is a real sign the phone is too limiting but not having |shared data. || || || ||What I am hoping we will see is the implementation of SQL CE 4 on the ||phone as a shared resource, including a shared data storage that ||includes |blobs/files, ||with permissions. Eg. An app can use a password to share files with ||other |apps ||from the same company. Stores could be by company and/or application, ||and access to would require initial user prompt etc. It is probably ||asking a |lot, but ||really the phone needs secure shared data. || || || || || |||-----Original Message----- || |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie || |||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:39 PM || |||To: ozDotNet || |||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || ||| || |||Nick Randolph, made a post on his blog i think where he used an image || |||to || ||store || |||data, which I you could access from different apps, not really a good || |||solution I guess, but maybe OK for some situations || ||| || |||http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam.com/post/2010/09/29/Windows-Phone-7 |||- || |||Passing-Data-Between-Applications.aspx || ||| || |||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Bill McCarthy <b...@totalenviro.com ||<mailto:b...@totalenviro.com> > || ||wrote: || |||> || |||> Uhm, not really. Isolated storage is good, but doesn't share data || |||> across apps. There's various scenarios such as crm's or customer || |||> service based apps where it is desirable to have small apps that || |||> share the same core || ||data || |||> (rather than try to cram every feature into the one app them || |||> disabling features depending on the user etc). And then there's the || |||> entire lack of shared documents issue (other than photos and videos). || |||> There's || ||absolutely || |||> no way (that I know of) to do what should be standard "office" kinds || |||> of tasks like automate the creation of a word document/invoice/quote || |||> etc, || ||and || |||> automatically attach it to an email. The more and more I try to use || |||> the phone for business the more I think it is designed for stand || |||> alone games || ||etc || |||> or only for web based applications where you do that processing off || |||> the phone. || |||> || |||> And yes I know you can hack a bitmap to store your data. That that |||> is || ||even || |||> thought of, little alone even considered, is sad. || |||> || |||> || |||> |-----Original Message----- || |||> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean || |||> |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 1:16 PM || |||> |To: ozDotNet || |||> |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> | || |||> |With regards to the last one - does IsolatedStorage work for you? || |||> | || |||> |-----Original Message----- || |||> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy || |||> |Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:18 PM || |||> |To: 'ozDotNet' || |||> |Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> | || |||> |Yeh there's a few frustrations with the end user SDK. My list || |||> |includes, || |||> (but not || |||> |limited to) is: || |||> |- no way to get list of contacts from the phone itself || |||> |- no support for vcard or ical etc (although this surfaces more in || |||> |the || ||user || |||> |interface not being able to accept or attach vcard to text |||> |messages) || |||> |- no shared data or files || |||> | || |||> |I'm hoping for improvements there. The first one is a real killer |||> |if || |||> |you || |||> want to || |||> |write any app that deals with people. || |||> | || |||> | || |||> ||-----Original Message----- || |||> ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||> ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh || |||> ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:01 PM || |||> ||To: ozDotNet || |||> ||Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> || || |||> ||Yeah, they've been saying "it's coming" for years. || |||> || || |||> ||Bill, || |||> || || |||> ||For ringtones, the support is in the Silverlight App Model, but || |||> ||there is no || |||> |way to || |||> ||access the Ringtones folder in the end user SDK, it's included in || |||> ||the || |||> |Native SDK. || |||> ||We've got access to the Capability in the WMAppManifest || |||> ||"ID_CAP_RINGTONE_ADD" but as I said, you can't access the folder. || |||> || || |||> ||-----Original Message----- || |||> ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||> ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price || |||> ||Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 11:55 AM || |||> ||To: ozDotNet || |||> ||Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> || || |||> ||I did see a twitter post (in response to me asking about Zune |||> ||pass) || |||> ||that it || |||> |was || |||> ||coming, but no timeframe on when. || |||> || || |||> ||On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Simon Reed || |||> ||<simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com |||> ||<mailto:simon.spectre.l...@gmail.com> > || |||> ||wrote: || |||> ||> Speaking of Zune is there a timeline for Zune pass or music || |||> ||> coming to || |||> |Aus? || |||> ||> || |||> ||> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Bill McCarthy || |||> ||> <b...@totalenviro.com <mailto:b...@totalenviro.com> > || |||> |wrote: || |||> ||>> || |||> ||>> Use Zune on the PC for marketplace ;) || |||> ||>> || |||> ||>> |-----Original Message----- || |||> ||>> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||> ||>> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Simon Reed || |||> ||>> |Sent: Friday, 5 November 2010 12:48 AM || |||> ||>> |To: ozDotNet || |||> ||>> |Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> |Does anyone know if marketplace/downloads are metered content || |||> ||>> |through Telstra I know Telstra One is unmetered and thought || |||> ||>> |maybe marketplace || |||> ||>> could || |||> ||>> |be the same as you can add the cost of apps to the mobile bill? || |||> ||>> |(probably || |||> ||>> just || |||> ||>> |wishful thinking) || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> |On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Stephen Price || |||> ||>> |<step...@littlevoices.com <mailto:step...@littlevoices.com> > || |||> ||>> |wrote: || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | I seem to be averaging about 3Mb per day. I've used |||> ||>> | 45Mb || |||> ||>> |of my 512Mb || |||> ||>> | data. I use it for general browsing and dont limit || |||> ||>> |anything like || |||> ||>> | pictures or anything. I do have it hooked up to wifi at || |||> ||>> |home and || |||> ||>> at || |||> ||>> | work so that would help reduce actual 3G bandwidth used. || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | 500Mb should be plenty. Its mostly twitter and facebook || |||> ||>> | which is || |||> ||>> text || |||> ||>> |mostly. || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:33 PM, .net noobie || |||> ||>> |<dotnetnoo...@gmail.com <mailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com> > ||wrote: || |||> ||>> | > Stephen, do you have it all setup for getting the || |||> ||>> |services and || |||> ||>> photos || |||> ||>> |etc? || |||> ||>> | > do you have any issues with blowing your data limits || |||> ||>> |or you || |||> ||>> don't || |||> ||>> know || |||> ||>> |yet? || |||> ||>> | > || |||> ||>> | > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Price || |||> ||>> |<step...@littlevoices.com <mailto:step...@littlevoices.com> > || |||> ||>> | > wrote: || |||> ||>> | >> || |||> ||>> | >> I was on Optus with my iphone. I got the shits with || |||> ||>> |them in the || |||> ||>> end, || |||> ||>> | >> the number of times I'd be in the city and it would || |||> ||>> | be giving || |||> ||>> me || |||> ||>> a || |||> ||>> | >> GPRS connection (no 3G) drove me crazy. || |||> ||>> | >> || |||> ||>> | >> Telstra have finally become competitive with their || |||> ||>> | pricing. My || |||> ||>> HTC || |||> ||>> | >> Mozart is costing me $49 a month with nothing to pay || |||> ||>> | for the || |||> ||>> phone. || |||> ||>> | >> Optus was/is $79 a month. I gave my iphone to my || |||> ||>> |daughter (no credit || |||> ||>> | >> topups for her for a while she's got a $350 limit). || |||> ||>> |It was way || |||> ||>> to || |||> ||>> much || |||> ||>> | >> to break the Optus contract and pay out the phone. || |||> ||>> | >> || |||> ||>> | >> Love the Mozart, its a nice phone. My only complaint || |||> ||>> | is there || |||> ||>> doesnt || |||> ||>> | >> seem to be a way to make the screen lock after a || |||> ||>> | period of || |||> ||>> time. || |||> ||>> it || |||> ||>> | >> locks or it doesnt. iphone could lock after 10 mins. || |||> ||>> | >> || |||> ||>> | >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:26 PM, .net noobie || |||> ||>> |<dotnetnoo...@gmail.com <mailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com> > || |||> ||>> | >> wrote: || |||> ||>> | >> > How bad is the Optus network really || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > I really only intend on being in a city, never || |||> ||>> |really going || |||> ||>> to || |||> ||>> be in the || |||> ||>> | >> > country || |||> ||>> | >> > the optus plans just seem to give alot more then || |||> ||>> | telstra on || |||> ||>> the || |||> ||>> data || |||> ||>> | >> > side || |||> ||>> | >> > Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, |||> ||>> | Twitter, || |||> ||>> |LinkedIn, MySpace, || |||> ||>> | >> > eBay || |||> ||>> | >> > and Foursquare4 || |||> ||>> | >> > this could reduce the data your paying for with |||> ||>> | the || |||> ||>> |built in || |||> ||>> features || |||> ||>> | >> > alot.... || |||> ||>> | >> > or is all the data going to actually coming from || |||> ||>> | windows live || |||> ||>> and || |||> ||>> | >> > therefore || |||> ||>> | >> > this will not help you reduce the data your consuming? || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > I would mostly just be using twitter and maybe || |||> ||>> |Facebook sometimes if || |||> ||>> | >> > someone || |||> ||>> | >> > sent me a message or something || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > Minimum Monthly Spend $79 || |||> ||>> | >> > Total Monthly Value Up to $9001 || |||> ||>> | >> > Included Data 3GB2 or Unlimited BIS + 1GB 2 on || |||> ||>> |BlackBerry handsets || |||> ||>> | >> > Voicemail deposits & retrievals Unlimited3 || |||> ||>> | >> > Bonus Unlimited mobile access to Facebook, |||> ||>> | Twitter, || |||> ||>> |LinkedIn, MySpace, || |||> ||>> | >> > eBay || |||> ||>> | >> > and Foursquare4 || |||> ||>> | >> > Standard National SMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited || |||> ||>> | >> > Standard National MMS(excl Pivotel) unlimited || |||> ||>> | >> > Call rate $0.90 per minute || |||> ||>> | >> > National Video call rate $1 per minute plus 35c || ||flagfall || |||> ||>> | >> > International Video call rate $1.50 per minute |||> ||>> | plus || |||> ||>> | 35c || |||> ||>> flagfall || |||> ||>> | >> > 13/1300 call rate $0.90 per minute + $0.35 |||> ||>> | Flagfall || |||> ||>> | >> > Connection Fee 35c per call || |||> ||>> | >> > Excess Data Usage 10c per MB || |||> ||>> | >> > Connection Fee 35c per call || |||> ||>> | >> > Excess Data Usage 10c per MB || |||> ||>> | >> > Inclusions Standard Aust local, national, GSM || |||> ||>> | mobile, video || |||> ||>> calls, || |||> ||>> | >> > voicemail || |||> ||>> | >> > and 13/1300 calls & standard SMS, MMS to Aust GSM || |||> ||>> | mobile, and || |||> ||>> | >> > international || |||> ||>> | >> > SMS || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > 1 Pay the first Business Complete Ultimate plan || |||> ||>> | worth of || |||> ||>> included || |||> ||>> |value || |||> ||>> | >> > each || |||> ||>> | >> > billing period after which these services are free || |||> ||>> |up to a || |||> ||>> maximum || |||> ||>> |of || |||> ||>> | >> > your || |||> ||>> | >> > selected plans "Included Cap Value" per billing |period. || |||> ||>> | >> > 2 Mobile Internet Data Value: can be used to |||> ||>> | access || |||> ||>> |services || |||> ||>> on || |||> ||>> |Optus || |||> ||>> | >> > Zoo, || |||> ||>> | >> > browsing the Internet from your mobile, as well as || |||> ||>> |using your mobile as || |||> ||>> | >> > a || |||> ||>> | >> > modem. If you elect to take the Business Advantage || |||> ||>> |BMB || |||> ||>> service || |||> ||>> |the plans || |||> ||>> | >> > included mobile data value can be shared. Excess || |||> ||>> |usage || |||> ||>> charges || |||> ||>> of || |||> ||>> |$0.10 || |||> ||>> | >> > per || |||> ||>> | >> > MB or part thereof apply (Includes uploads and || ||downloads). || |||> ||>> Data || |||> ||>> |usage || |||> ||>> | >> > will || |||> ||>> | >> > be counted in kilobytes, where 1024KB = 1MB and || |||> ||>> |includes both uploads || |||> ||>> | >> > and || |||> ||>> | >> > downloads. Any unused data allowance cannot be || |||> ||>> |rolled || |||> over. || |||> ||>> |Unlimited || |||> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry POP3 & Browsing: only applies for POP3 || |||> ||>> |email || |||> ||>> traffic || |||> ||>> |and || |||> ||>> | >> > internet || |||> ||>> | >> > browsing through the BlackBerry Browser and || |||> ||>> |specifically || |||> ||>> excludes || |||> ||>> |use of || |||> ||>> | >> > the || |||> ||>> | >> > Optus Zoo Browser and International Roaming. || |||> ||>> |Customers must have a || |||> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry or BlackBerry Connect handset to access || |||> ||>> |this || |||> ||>> service. || |||> ||>> | >> > Unlimited || |||> ||>> | >> > BlackBerry POP3 email and browsing is subject to || |||> ||>> | the Optus || |||> ||>> Mobile || |||> ||>> |Fair || |||> ||>> | >> > GoTM || |||> ||>> | >> > policy. The BlackBerry and RIM families of related || |||> ||>> |marks, || |||> ||>> images || |||> ||>> |and || |||> ||>> | >> > symbols || |||> ||>> | >> > are the exclusive properties of and trademarks or || |||> ||>> |registered trademarks || |||> ||>> | >> > of || |||> ||>> | >> > Research In Motion Limited used by permission. || |||> ||>> | >> > 3 Unlimited Voicemail: Applies to Voicemail || |||> ||>> |Deposits and Retrievals, || |||> ||>> | >> > diversion charges apply. || |||> ||>> | >> > 4 Unlimited Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, MySpace, || |||> ||>> |eBay & || |||> ||>> |Foursquare: || |||> ||>> | >> > Only || |||> ||>> | >> > available within Australian and requires |||> ||>> | compatible || |||> |handset. || |||> ||>> Use of || |||> ||>> | >> > these || |||> ||>> | >> > services is separate and does not count towards || |||> ||>> |your included "Mobile || |||> ||>> | >> > Internet Data". Cannot be used with your Optus || |||> ||>> |Mobile || |||> ||>> Broadband || |||> ||>> |(OMB) or || |||> ||>> | >> > Business Mobile Broadband (BMB) device/s and || |||> ||>> |excludes use of Facebook || |||> ||>> | >> > SMS or || |||> ||>> | >> > other social media alert services. These features || |||> ||>> |are only || |||> ||>> available || |||> ||>> |to || |||> ||>> | >> > you || |||> ||>> | >> > if your handset is compatible with the service. || |||> ||>> |Optus Mobile || |||> ||>> Fair || |||> ||>> |GoTM || |||> ||>> | >> > Policy applies. || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Nick Randolph || |||> ||>> |<n...@builttoroam.com <mailto:n...@builttoroam.com> > || |||> ||>> | >> > wrote: || |||> ||>> | >> >> Chris, beg to differ on the warranty front - || |||> ||>> | >> >> http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html ||<http://www.mobicity.com.au/extras/warranty.html> || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> Nick Randolph | Built to Roam | Microsoft MVP - || |||> ||>> |Windows || |||> ||>> Phone || |||> ||>> | >> >> Development || |||> ||>> | >> >> | +61 412 413 425 || |||> ||>> | >> >> The information contained in this email is || |||> ||>> | confidential. If || |||> ||>> you are || |||> ||>> |not || |||> ||>> | >> >> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or || |||> ||>> |use the information in || |||> ||>> | >> >> this || |||> ||>> | >> >> email in any way. Built To Roam does not |||> ||>> | guarantee || |||> ||>> |the || |||> ||>> integrity || |||> ||>> |of any || |||> ||>> | >> >> emails or attached files. The views or opinions || |||> ||>> |expressed || |||> ||>> are || |||> ||>> the || |||> ||>> | >> >> author's || |||> ||>> | >> >> own and may not reflect the views or opinions of || |||> ||>> | Built To || |||> ||>> Roam. || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> -----Original Message----- || |||> ||>> | >> >> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com || |||> ||>> | >> >> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] || |||> ||>> | >> >> On Behalf Of Chris Walsh || |||> ||>> | >> >> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:16 PM || |||> ||>> | >> >> To: ozDotNet || |||> ||>> | >> >> Subject: RE: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> I am, but really depends on if you want an || |||> ||>> | Australian || |||> ||>> warranty || |||> ||>> |etc... || |||> ||>> | >> >> If || |||> ||>> | >> >> you purchase it from MobiCity the phones don't || |||> ||>> |have an AU warranty. || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> I'd suggest getting it outright via Telstra. Or || |||> ||>> |if you want || |||> ||>> a || |||> ||>> plan, || |||> ||>> | >> >> get || |||> ||>> | >> >> it on via Telstra, free on a $49 plan, and the || |||> ||>> | phones are || |||> ||>> unlocked || |||> ||>> |by || |||> ||>> | >> >> default. || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> -----Original Message----- || |||> ||>> | >> >> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com || |||> ||>> | >> >> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] || |||> ||>> | >> >> On Behalf Of .net noobie || |||> ||>> | >> >> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 10:11 PM || |||> ||>> | >> >> To: ozDotNet || |||> ||>> | >> >> Subject: Re: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> Chris, so you are suggesting the HTC Mozart, is || |||> ||>> |best model || |||> ||>> to || |||> ||>> get? || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:08 PM, .net noobie || |||> ||>> |<dotnetnoo...@gmail.com <mailto:dotnetnoo...@gmail.com> > || |||> ||>> | >> >> wrote: || |||> ||>> | >> >>> http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone- ||<http://www.mobicity.com.au/phone-> || |||> ||>> |categories/smartphones/windows/window || |||> ||>> | >> >>> s-phone.html?order=price&dir=asc || |||> ||>> | >> >>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Chris Walsh || |||> ||>> |<ch...@walshie.me <mailto:ch...@walshie.me> > wrote: || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Really depends on what network you're wanting |||> ||>> | to || |||> ||>> |use it || |||> ||>> on. || |||> ||>> If || |||> ||>> |its || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Telstra, there are only TWO in the US that use || |||> ||>> |the 850Mhz || |||> ||>> 3G || |||> ||>> |band, || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> the || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Samsung Focus & the HTC Surround. || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> If it is on Optus, Three or Voda, they use the || |||> ||>> |2100Mhz & 900Mhz 3G || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> bands, so you're pretty much set on 7 out of |||> ||>> | the || |||> ||>> |9 launch devices || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> support || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> those bands. || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> The REAL device apart from the HTC Mozart is |||> ||>> | the || |||> ||>> |Dell || |||> ||>> Venue || |||> ||>> |Pro, but || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> it || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> isn't on the 850Mhz band, but has Gorilla |||> ||>> | Glass, || |||> ||>> |AMOLED screen, || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> expansive || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> memory & portrait slider. || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> -----Original Message----- || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On |||> ||>> | Behalf || |||> ||>> |Of .net noobie || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 9:56 PM || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> To: ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Subject: [OT] WP7 Handset/device || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Does anyone know where you can buy a WP7 || |||> ||>> |Handset/device outright || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> without || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> a plan? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Telstra are selling them I think but there |||> ||>> | price || |||> ||>> |is pretty || |||> ||>> high || |||> ||>> |and || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> only have 2 phones || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright- ||<http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2010/10/telstra-sets-outright-> || |||> ||>> |buy-prices || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> -for-windows-phone-7-handsets/ || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> What do people think about buying a handset |||> ||>> | from || |||> ||>> |overseas || |||> ||>> to || |||> ||>> |try and || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> get || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> a better price? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> e.g. AT&T are selling phones for 199.99 USD, |||> ||>> | but || |||> ||>> |I don't || |||> ||>> know || |||> ||>> |the || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> details as in it this is on some kind of plan |||> ||>> | or || |||> ||>> |just the || |||> ||>> handset || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> outright? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> or if the handset will be locked to AT&T etc... || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> I like the look of the "Samsung Omnia 7" from |||> ||>> | Optus || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> the The "HTC Mozart", has a better camera 8 |||> ||>> | Mega || |||> ||>> | Pixel || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> what models do people think is best and why? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> in the US there is a "Samsung Focus" which || |||> ||>> | people seem to || |||> ||>> like || |||> ||>> |a lot, || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> is || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> the "Samsung Omnia 7" basically the || |||> ||>> |same/Australian || |||> ||>> version? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> Is there going to be any advantage to getting a || |||> ||>> | phone on a || |||> ||>> plan, || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> rather || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> then getting a handset and putting in my own |||> ||>> | Sim || ||card? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> e.g. will the phone company have any extra || |||> ||>> | features I will || |||> ||>> not || |||> ||>> |get if || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> I || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> just put in my own Sim card? || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> these are/seem to be the options for Australian || |||> ||>> |handsets || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en- ||<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-> || |||> ||>> |au/buy/7/phones.aspx#mode=al || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> l as I said above I like the "Samsung Omnia 7" || |||> ||>> |so any || |||> ||>> comments || |||> ||>> |on why || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> I should or should not choose a different model || |||> ||>> |would be || |||> ||>> great || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> thanks noobie || |||> ||>> | >> >>>> || |||> ||>> | >> >>> || |||> ||>> | >> >> || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | >> > || |||> ||>> | > || |||> ||>> | > || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> | || |||> ||>> || |||> ||>> || |||> ||> || |||> ||> || |||> || |||> || ||| || || || ||
