I have just skimmed through all of your respnses- I am on my way to my daughter's soccer game- It seems my life revolves around my children's sporting endeavors of late. Anyway, after I posted my quote by Engels- I was worried that some of you would misinterpret me. When I speak of forced labour I speak of the loss of control experienced by so many women when they walk into a hospital environment for the birth of their child- I especially experienced this with the birth of my daughter 11 years ago.
I have never been an adamant follower of Marx- but I must admit his work is very enticing- but not realistic in today's consumer society. If I follow his theory of socialism I become despondent when I see what is happening in the world today. I dont know if any of you saw the program on ABC on Tuesday- but it dealt with Transnational Corporations and their abuse of developing countries- it was heartbreaking- I just dont see Marx's theory coming to its full fruition. Anyway enough of that, off I go to soccer.
I think for a book, rather than a slogan, this quote is valuable.
Take Care
Alphia
At 08:18 PM 28/06/2002 +1000, Macha McDonald wrote:
I think maybe you're confusing communism with fascism. A communist, or communism is a social system where people share goods and services. A fascist, or fascism is a one party system of government where there are distinct classes and individuals are inferior to the state and control is maintained by military force and rigid censorship - quite the opposite of communism. When I think of the way I've been treated by some Obs ("I studied for 10 years in medical school, and you are but a minion"), and the way they rigidly control a women's experience of birth, I think of fascism. Not to undermine your German patients experience, because many communist societies have failed, but I feel obliged to explode the myths about communism. Thats my lesson for the day, and I dont even know how we got to that, but anyway!!! Have a good weekend!
Macha.
- -----Original Message-----
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rhonda
- Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 7:29 PM
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Subject: Fw: RE: slogan
- -------Original Message-------
- From: Rhonda
- Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 19:28:48
- To: Macha McDonald
- Subject: RE: slogan
- Isn't that funny - I was telling a woman about how I was treated during the birth f my sin and what was said and done and her reaction was this..
- "I came out here from Communist germany and that is what you would have expected there 20 yrs ago - I didn't think that sort of treatment was possible - Not in Australia, Not in this day and age."
- After that I can only wonder if maybe I was treated worse than anyone else ever is or if our Ob's are communists after all?
- Just something to think about!
- Rhonda
- -------Original Message-------
- From: Macha McDonald
- Date: Friday, June 28, 2002 17:18:44
- To: ozmidwifery
- Subject: RE: slogan
- I think because of the stigma stuck to communism in our capitalist society,
- ppl wouldnt appreciate being dictated to about Marx, and most would never
- have heard the quote, or even of Marx. They also may associate us with
- communists, which I dont think is a bad thing, but others may. I like it
- though.
- -----Original Message-----
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alphia Garrety
- Sent: Friday, 28 June 2002 11:52 AM
- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Subject: slogan
- I realize that the way this is worded would not be catchy enough for a
- slogan- by the way all of the ideas are fantastic. But I was reading some
- work by Karl Marx yesterday and there was this quote
- "Man knows no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced labour"
- Actually it is by Friedrich Engels- Marx's partner in crime. But it just
- hit me that Women know no more degrading or unbearable misery than forced
- labour. I dont know if it could work at all- but I just thought I would
- share it with all of you.
- Take Care
- Alphia
- Alphia Garrety (Ba. Hons.)
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