Andrea the email I got from you has an attachment too Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith & love... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here...
Hello Ric No, I am not aware of any attachments to my messages - the list doesn't handle attachments. My emails are all virus checked before they are sent, so no idea what the attachment is all about (and I don't use Outlook Express either!). Hug, Andrea At 09:32 6/09/2003, Lynne Staff wrote: >Hi Andrea - did you send an attachment with this email, because it came with >one and I just wanted to check.... >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrea Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:00 AM >Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hello - Brasil here... > > >Hello Ricardo, > >Terrific to hear from you and to have you on the list. I hope you'll find >the midwifery scene in Austrlaia interesting to read about. > >As you know, I've been able to have a first hand look at what is happening >in Brasil and I am very excited about the work of REHUNA. Can I just say >that I think REHUNA should be careful of the "doula" phenomenon? Rather >than spending time on training a new team of people as doulas, why not put >your energies into re-shaping the thinking and up-skilling the nurses you >already have working in maternity and at the same time, open your labour >wards to family and friends of the labouring woman? The work of Klaus and >Kennell in the 1980's showed that in order to improve outcomes for >labouring women all that was needed was to provide a companion for her, and >one with no training was just as good as one with training. > >I've looked at birth in other parts of the world similar to yours and still >think that the first and easiest step to take is to find a way to enable >the woman to have her sister/mother/best friend with her during labour and >birth. This is cheap, easy, woman friendly and easy to implement. > >I hope to be able to get back to Brasil to do some more workshops for your >nurses on the basics of being "with women". In the meantime, I have written >a Diary entry http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html >on doulas that you might like to read. A bit controversial but I think >these things need to be said. > >Look forward to seeing you again! > >Andrea > > >At 04:29 6/09/2002, Ricardo Herbert Jones wrote: > >Hello everybody: > > > >My name is Ricardo Herbert Jones > >I am an obstetrician from Brasil, and had the pleasure of meeting Andrea > >Robertson this year in a Congress about Humanization of Childbirth in São > >Paulo, Brasil. > >As an obstetrician I would like to share experiences with midwives and > >doulas all around the world, because I think that humanization of birth is > >an issue that has to do with every single person in this planet. Even thou > >only women deliver babies (yet - who knows where the tecnocratic paradygm > >will takes us?) all of us were once born, and lived during a limited time > >in a womanīs womb. Were we rescued from there by doctors and eletronic > >devices or were we cherished by momīs tender body till we entered this > >world? These are different ways of looking to the same event. As I grew > >old (I am 43 now, and work with births from 20 years) I learned that women > >shall be treated with caress and gentleness. Birth in our tecnocratic > >society is seen as a mechanic phenomenon, and doctors usually see their > >patients as objects, and not as persons and subjects. Thatīs a terrible > >thing, because itīs a humanīs right problem. > >I am one of the leaders of Rehuna (Humanization of Childbirth Network - > >Brasil) and our struggle now is to empower women in their decisions about > >chilbirth and force the government area to humanize the assistance to > >women in the public hospitals. The first step is a doula project, called > >"Friends in Light", to graduate doulas and doula trainners in Rio de >Janeiro. > >Ok, as u can see my english is not quite well, and I love to talk too >much... > >Hope I can get good advices from you all. > > > >Ricardo Herbert Jones > >Ob/Gyn and Homeopath > >Porto Alegre - Brasil > > > >__________________________________________________________________ > >Ricardo Herbert Jones > >Ric > >ICQ#: 1640612 > >Current ICQ status: 249cee.jpg > >( Home Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 > >( Work Tel#: 55 51 9981 0445 > >7 Fax#: Ask me > >+ <http://wwp.icq.com/1640612>More ways to contact me > >i <http://web.icq.com/whitepages/about_me?Uin=1640612>See more about me: > >__________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- - >---- > > > > > > ----- > > Andrea Robertson > > Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education > > > > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > web: www.birthinternational.com > > > >-- >This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. >Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. ----- Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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