Andrea told me a couple of years ago that Beatrix Smulders can too. It took me a long time to tell anyone for fear they would think I was...well, you know! One of the obs I work with says he thinks he can nearly smell it too!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
> Hi Lynne, > > You absolutely startled me. I thought I was the only one!! I smell > babies and know they are coming in a very similar time frame. It is an > astonishing experience and a gift. > > Love Sally > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff > Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:40 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished - > I > still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth, > their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked > with > some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners > too. I > find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe > to > be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes, > take > a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the > breast. > > For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40 > minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby > isn't > coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and > it's > not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew > the > babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still > smell > him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this > case, > but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful > (but > beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon. > I > told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I > think > we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that > while > they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still > "theirs", > and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive......and when I told her I could > smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me "OK, my son - it's > time > for me to meet you...." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > > > Thankyou Jan, > > I appreciate how busy you are. > > It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus > birth > is > > a beautiful gift for a baby born still. > > We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries > and > > vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see. > > If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know > what > > the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, > in > > regards to the placenta? > > > > thanks again > > Megan. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: Shivam Rachana > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > > > > > On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Jan wrote > > > "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water > around > > lunch > > > time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his > placenta > was > > > born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's") > > > > > > Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in > the > > > case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept > with > > the > > > baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely > > interested. > > > > > > thankyou > > > Megan. > > > > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > Hello Megan > > I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your > information, > > Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand > > mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed > > daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil > on > > the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful > with > > calendula cream that stopped it drying out. > > > > Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's > little > bag > > lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a > special > > sealed container with her photograph on the outside. > > > > With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and > > allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two. > > After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal > surface > > and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed > > frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had > shrunk > > dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had > > shriveled too. > > > > The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any > > transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the > next > > few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very > brittle > as > > all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two > > arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue. > > > > On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus > > connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump > > remained until he was a week old. > > > > Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely > sealed > over > > with new skin before he gets to shower with his father. > > > > What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better > start. > > He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a - bub" and > after > > that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having > here > in > > Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in > with > > his mother and father. > > > > Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such > a > > special family. > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
