I cant smell, but I do have a brilliant sense of intuition for the same issues. Could this maybe be related in some way? Is this ( smelling) a learn-ed response to our heightened abilities to forsee the immediate future ? In a similar vein, I can ' tell' without laying a finger on a women whether she is going to make it through her labour without c/s or excessive intervention. I can also 'tell' how dilated a woman is without touching her. Sometimes I think this is more of a spiritual awareness of the whole process than simply years of experience. Or maybe i'm just full-of-it and just guess lucky.
I'm so intrigued. Robin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > Andrea told me a couple of years ago that Beatrix Smulders can too. It took > me a long time to tell anyone for fear they would think I was...well, you > know! One of the obs I work with says he thinks he can nearly smell it > too!!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sally Westbury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > > > Hi Lynne, > > > > You absolutely startled me. I thought I was the only one!! I smell > > babies and know they are coming in a very similar time frame. It is an > > astonishing experience and a gift. > > > > Love Sally > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff > > Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:40 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > > > For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished - > > I > > still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth, > > their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked > > with > > some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners > > too. I > > find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe > > to > > be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes, > > take > > a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the > > breast. > > > > For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40 > > minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby > > isn't > > coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and > > it's > > not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew > > the > > babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still > > smell > > him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this > > case, > > but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful > > (but > > beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon. > > I > > told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I > > think > > we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that > > while > > they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still > > "theirs", > > and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive......and when I told her I could > > smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me "OK, my son - it's > > time > > for me to meet you...." > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM > > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > > > > > > Thankyou Jan, > > > I appreciate how busy you are. > > > It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus > > birth > > is > > > a beautiful gift for a baby born still. > > > We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries > > and > > > vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see. > > > If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know > > what > > > the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, > > in > > > regards to the placenta? > > > > > > thanks again > > > Megan. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson > > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30 > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: Shivam Rachana > > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth > > > > > > > > > On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, "Larry & Megan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Jan wrote > > > > "Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water > > around > > > lunch > > > > time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his > > placenta > > was > > > > born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's") > > > > > > > > Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in > > the > > > > case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept > > with > > > the > > > > baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely > > > interested. > > > > > > > > thankyou > > > > Megan. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > Hello Megan > > > I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your > > information, > > > Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand > > > mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed > > > daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil > > on > > > the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful > > with > > > calendula cream that stopped it drying out. > > > > > > Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's > > little > > bag > > > lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a > > special > > > sealed container with her photograph on the outside. > > > > > > With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and > > > allowed to "drip dry"for an hour or two. > > > After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal > > surface > > > and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed > > > frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had > > shrunk > > > dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had > > > shriveled too. > > > > > > The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any > > > transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the > > next > > > few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very > > brittle > > as > > > all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two > > > arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue. > > > > > > On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus > > > connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump > > > remained until he was a week old. > > > > > > Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely > > sealed > > over > > > with new skin before he gets to shower with his father. > > > > > > What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better > > start. > > > He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his "Hug - a - bub" and > > after > > > that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having > > here > > in > > > Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in > > with > > > his mother and father. > > > > > > Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such > > a > > > special family. > > > > > > Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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