30 years then by my reckoning and experience Australia is well over due for
midwifery care!!
Denise
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From: Heartlogic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)


>
> Hi Jo, thanks for your affirming words. I appreciate your feedback.
>
> It is vitally important to work with medical students and to challenge
their
> accepted, medically conditioned ways of thinking. It is great you are
doing
> that. You just never know what effect you will have on the future by your
> great work and kindness in teaching them and showing them what woman
> friendly means.  Investment in these beginning medicos is critical.
> Remember, the more emotional you can make it, the more their brains
remember
> and bring it up in the future.  A pity they are imprinted with how "not"
to
> be - you could use that though to really get them to articulate the
desired
> way and make that a stronger imprint - this is where the Socratic style of
> questioning is so useful, for example "How do you think that woman feels
> after....." and "what would be a better way of doing...." and "what do you
> think the best course of action in that situation would be?" and "Do you
> think Dr Blah Blah was being woman friendly when he ...." and "Who was in
> control in that situation?  Do you think the woman felt empowered by the
way
> those choices were explained to her?" etc.  It seems that asking is always
> better than telling :-).
>
> Yes, they do get the edges bumped off them by the old guard, that is a
> survival tactic to fit in to the culture... but little by little....
>
> Those who know these things say culture change takes about 30 years...
>
> Towards a woman friendly culture,
>
> warmly, Carolyn Hastie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of JoFromOz
> Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 10:28 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
>
>
> I love your post, Carolyn.
>
> You say a lot of what I feel but I don't know how to express it.  The term
> 'stranded beetle' said it all for me...
> It makes me sad, but I am taking this thread as a challenge to be able to
> advocate better for women in situations such as these.
>
> I can only wish the 'new breed' of obstetric residents/registrars and
> obstetricians are more women-friendly.  I have been working with some
> medical students recently, doing their obstetric placements.  Many of them
> are saying that it is a great experience to see how NOT to be when/if they
> specialise in obstetrics.  It is an advantage for the medical students to
> work on a day-to-day basis with midwives, but their growing minds still
get
> poisoned with lectures and tutorials by those 'expert' obstetricians!
>
> Sincerely, Jo
>
> Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered.
>
> > Interesting also the stranded beetle position in
> > dogs indicates total surrender and lack of power - same for us human
> > females - surrender and acquiescence and one is far less likely to
> complain
> > or dissent in such a position.
> > Roll on NMAP!
> >
> > In solidarity,
> >
> > Carolyn Hastie
>
>
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