I think you're thinking of the wonderful work Vicki and Nic have done with the song "from a distance" by Bette Midler. We were lucky enough to have a couple of our birth photos included in that piece, and yep, gets me going just thinking about it.
Tania x ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Arthur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community I can't remember what song it was exactly - Bette Midler, I think. I saw it at the Down to Earth Homebirth conference in Katoomba in March this year. Same effect - everyone balling withing the first 2 minutes!!!! Karen -----Original Message----- From: Julie Clarke [mailto:Pregnancy@;bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community Karen were you referring to the video presented at the NACE Conference at Qld a couple of years ago ? With the Roberta Flack song "The first time ever I saw your face" as background music ? That's the first video of Nic's that I have seen and I don't think there was a dry eye in the room - educators were reaching for tissues everywhere. Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Karen Arthur Sent: Monday, 28 October 2002 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] educating the community Hi everyone, Nic's videos have my vote as well. When I first saw the images of the first one she did, I thought that we needed the general public to see these, and then they'd understand what we're trying to say. A picture tells a thousand words..... Have a great day Karen -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Semple [mailto:jennifer.semple1@;students.vu.edu.au] Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2002 7:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community I think those CPA ads are really effective too. & if you have a really good ad that people actually like to see, I think one ad is just as effective as 3 different ones. An ad for midwifery is a GREAT idea... ofcourse I have NO IDEA how much ad space/time costs... but EVERYONE loves to look at babies. Nic Edmonstone's videos are so powerful... radiating beauty, emotion, & love... she would be able to get to the heart of it in 10 seconds or however much time an ads is. Anyway, just my two cents. Cheers, Jen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:35 am Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > Hi list > > I couldn't agree with Robyn and Julie more about TV coverage but > participation in a regular show would take yet another one of us > away from > our lifelong passion of childbirth. We would needs lottsa moola to > pay for a > well known personality to front up for us on a weekly basis. > > We could get together and make a TV advert to be shown on prime > time when > most of the younger thinking women take time out to watch the news or > follow-on shows. This is how the CPAs did so well in establishing > themselves in the Australian community. Also remember the series > of ads the > GPs put on a few years ago in response to the alternative > practitionerstaking away much of their business? They were very > effective.Another possibility to target is the ABC late affternoon > shows put on to > educate kids. > We definitely need a follow on from NMAP while the public still > remember it. > > Perhaps we could fundraise through the College, ASIM and NACE to > produce two > or three "smash-hit" ads that would create huge interest in > seeking out > one-to-one midwifery care. > Another alternative is to convince some budding film makers > (anyone got one > amongst their clients?) to put some time and energy into making > such an AD > at reduced rates. It literally costs thousands of $$$ to produce a > halfminute ad for TV. > > Once we own the ad. we could make copies and show them at every > childbirtheducation class across the country ... Especially > "Choices for Childbirth" > evenings that are being run by MC supporters. > > Jan > > > On 23/10/02 12:52 PM, "Robyn Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Maybe we should develop a dossier with all the current facts and > research> extracts that we all carry when spreading the word A > NMAP DOSSIER that means > > we are all spreading the same world with the latest facts. If > we all > > contribute someone like me or others maybe able to compile it > and update it. > > It could go to anyone on the Planet it would united and factual > the message > > strong and concise. > > > > In agreeance with a National TV Programme that teaches practical > information> weekly would be good. Something to replace the > Soapies. I go into many > > homes every week and the families are almost always watching the > soapies> often they don't turn it off during our 1 to 2 hour > consultation. At times > > I have to ask for the volume to be turned down. > > > > If only we had a National dynamic programme for FAmilies, > students, on > > pregnancy, birth breastfeeding and lot's more!!!!!! How many > people might > > we reach????? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Julie > Clarke> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:03 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [ozmidwifery] educating the community > > > > > > Hi all > > Denise's suggestion to use TV as an effective medium for > educating the > > public is certainly something I agree with, and I hope that > somewhere> someone is working on a script. > > In the meantime in my everyday life I talk to anyone and > everyone about > > normal childbirth and Australia's uniquely abnormal system > compared to > > other countries. > > Yesterday I was attending a course Certificate V Workplace > Training and > > I was able to get in the topic on several occasions. > > (a) one of the other participants was 5 months pregnant :-) golden > > opportunity ! She is booked in to a private hospital. I was > able to > > explain the intervention rates at private hospitals and other > options> she might like to consider. :-) > > (b) the trainer was of Dutch descent. So I praised her country > of origin > > and informed her of the nature of maternity services, the safety > etc She > > was surprised and totally unaware of the extent of homebirth in her > > country and the safe outcomes. > > > > That just give 2 examples of how these people who were previously > > completely oblivious to the reality of maternity services in > Australia> and now they know. > > Chances are they will talk to someone else who will talk to someone > > else... > > Beautiful isn't it :-) > > > > Julie Clarke > > Childbirth and Parenting Educator > > Transition into Parenthood > > 9 Withybrook Pl > > Sylvania NSW 2224 > > T. (02) 9544 6441 > > F (02) 9544 9257 > > M. 0401 265 530 > > email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of > Denise Hynd > > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 11:36 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > > > Dear All > > I keep coming back to the need for our community to see and > understand> that > > there is another way a woman centred way to birth. > > The women and families need to see it so they can ask for it as > do the > > midwives and other health professionals > > So please some one help get a programme on national TV that > looks at and > > follows women, families and the midwives thru women centred care in > > Australia > > On the Community Midwfery Program Wa as with most homebirths the > labours> prgress with love and support for what the woman needs > most births > > happen > > with out VE's and so many other intrusions! > > > > Please does some one have a connection to help show this way of > birthing> and > > care in pregnancy to our nation!! > > Denise > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Robin Moon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 5:35 AM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > > > > >> It's all very scary isnt it? > >> the majority of women will accept such practices because of their > > belief > > in > >> the infallibility of the doctor to do what is right. Aside from the > > issue > >> where some people feel raped by such procedures, many accept it > > because it > >> is seen as the doctor 'doing' something. He 'had' to induce, or he > > 'had' > > to > >> find the cervix. I just find it so sad. A cervix that is not > ready is > > the > >> clearest indicator that ---- it's not ready! Not that it requires > > pummelling > >> into submission. I once cared for a woman who remained 4cm for a > > number of > >> hours despite good contractions. Her obstetrician came and within > > minutes > >> had manipulated the cervix into being fully dilated - plenty of > blood> in > >> that procedure. I was appalled- imagine how sore she would have > been> next > >> day. > >> > >> Mary Chiarella talks about theses issues in her book ' Silence > in the > >> Courts'. She suggests nurses live in a professional > 'shadowland' when > > it > >> comes to an ability to intervene in unsavoury medical > practices. Or, > > more > >> realistically, be heard. > >> http://www.nmh.uts.edu.au/whatsnew/2000/silence.html > >> > >> Robin > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Lynne Staff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:13 PM > >> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > >> > >> > >>> You know Denise, you have touched on something I have > discussed with > > Vicki > >>> many times - love. What we (aspire to) do as midwives means loving > > women. > >>> And I have also experienced anger and hate for speaking about this > >>> (situations where women suffer at the hands of professionals > who are > >>> supposed to care but cannot, or else why would they not stop > when a > > woman > >>> asks them to, when she feels she is hurting, or being injured or > > worse, > >>> violated). > >>> > >>> So I say again, as I did in a recent posting, there is a Health > > Rights > >>> Commission there to be utilised in instances just such as > these. If > > the > >>> woman cannot find the strength (or does not wish, for whatever > > reason) > > to > >>> take the issue further, then we as midwives can (we can in QLD > - > >> anonymously > >>> too, because midwives also are threatened for rocking the boat). > > Partners > >>> often feel intense anger at what occurs, but when the babe is > born,> there > >> is > >>> the "well, thank goodness my partner and the baby are OK" thoughts > > which > >> are > >>> reinforced by professionals when they say "a good outcome, eh?" > > There > > is > >> an > >>> increasing body of evidence which points to the trauma > partners also > >>> experience when they are witness to these ATROCITIES (and one > has to > > call > >>> them that, for that is what they are). This is so connected to the > >> couple's > >>> most intimate, personal and sexual selves - but where are the > > avenues > > for > >>> them to say "No DON'T!" Or when they do say, shout....plead, who > > hears, > >> and > >>> moreso, who listens? > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Denise Hynd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:11 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > >>> > >>> > >>>> Dear Megan and others > >>>> I wish this was an aberation but as some one who has taken > > students > > for > >>>> maternity expereince in different hospitals and done agency work > > in > > even > >>>> more I have seen too much acceptance of this insensitivity to the > >> physical > >>>> and emotional feelings of women. > >>>> Look at this particualr situation and multiply it be even a smal > >>> proportion > >>>> of the ARMs out there! > >>>> > >>>> There would have been hospital staff present when this was > > happening > > did > >>>> they say anything were they even looking to see how this > woman was > >>> reacting, > >>>> let alone her partner?? > >>>> > >>>> Why did they not say anything to him let alone intercede? > >>>> > >>>> Too many of us do not question let alone act to stop these > > situations. > >>>> > >>>> Rather midwives help set the women up for these procedures and > > maintain > >>> that > >>>> this is necessary that really sadenes me!! > >>>> And I have expereinced the anger and hate when I say these things > >>>> > >>>> For me we need the change of implementing NMAP not only to > improve> the > >>>> experinces of the birthing women but to bring the attendants back > > to > >> what > >>> it > >>>> is to be a woman to feel her real pains, to be "with Woman" and > > act > > to > >>> stop > >>>> the cause, to show them they can and should act in love not fear > > around > >>>> birth. > >>>> > >>>> Denise > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Larry & Megan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 10:30 PM > >>>> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Can I burrow some wisdom from the list? > >>>>> I have just visited my friend and her new baby in hospital. Her > > doctor > >>>>> suggested she be induced a week early because her baby was > > looking > >> like > >>>>> being a good 9lb plus?(her first was 9lb). She trusted his > > wisdom > > and > >>> went > >>>>> ahead, having gels late evening and the following morning, > > nothing > >>>>> happening. At 1pm he broke her waters. This bit I am appaled at. > > He > >> has > >>>> very > >>>>> large hands, and the agony it caused her was awful, even to the > > point > >> of > >>>>> screaming at him to stop. He didn't. Eventually labour started > > and > >> late > >>>> that > >>>>> evening with the aid of an epidural she birthed a lovely little > > boy, > >>>>> weighing only 8lb5oz. Mum and baby doing well. > >>>>> I asked her if he commented on the weight , of course he hasn't > > and > >> they > >>>>> don't want to say anything. She was induced for no good reason. > > She > >>>>> described the ARM as what she imagines being raped would feel > > like, > > (I > >>>> guess > >>>>> physically and emotionally) this will also not be passed on to > > him. > >>>>> I feel that she was raped and there is nothing I can do about > > it. I > >>> can't > >>>>> force her to acknowledge what happened, her and hubby are > > relatively > >>> happy > >>>>> and she has a beautiful baby that neeeds her. It is safer for > > them > > to > >>>> think > >>>>> of it as a medical procedure because if you acknowledge it as > > rape, > >> who > >>> is > >>>>> going to help them deal with it all. How many women and men > > experience > >>>> this? > >>>>> This doctor will never know how he made her feel and can > > continue to > >>>>> practice like this because the silence says it is OK. I am so > >> frustrated > >>>> and > >>>>> sad that she had to experience it at all. > >>>>> > >>>>> It reinforces my belief in NMAP and the need for women to have > > the very best of care. > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks, I just needed to vent off, my husbands ears are tired, > >>>>> Megan. > > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <" target="l">http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or > unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. 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