Jan, Nola and All
This question of rights of patients to medical interventions and informed choice is complex and varied as there are many factors are involved. 
 
Balance of risk of intervention vs risks of no intervention
Source of information - is it biased
Subjectivity/objectivity of both client and caregiver
Medical interventions - Should the offering of these interventions be made on medical need or client demand?
 
It is a constant balancing act as the following cases show
 
One woman, at booking, insisted on c/s as first birth was traumatic (PIH, induction, forceps, dyspareunia for many months) and the first 12 months were a huge struggle though she breastfed well and was properly infatuated with her baby. She was living in difficult conditions - isolated on a remote cattle station, generator power for a few hours/day only, alone with baby all day and with heavy additional workload.
They had very changed circumstances the second time around as they had shifted into town where there was lots of good family support and I felt sure that vaginal birth second time around would have been a different and probably healing experience for her, but in her mind the whole difficult year was due to her delivery.  She went on to have elective c/s which was what she felt she needed to do for her emotional well being.
(This woman had shared care with GP after her initial booking)
Another woman, 40 year old primip, also presented at antenatal booking determined to have an elective c/s.  This decision was also fear based - and after several visits and much discussion she changed her mind and gradually developed confidence in her ability to give birth vaginally which she did end up doing with relative ease and much satisfaction even though she had to transfer to a neighbouring town to give birth as that weekend we had no obstetrical cover!!!.
(This woman had continuity of care with a midwife in the antenatal period after her booking)
 
Another 40 year old primip lawyer I met recently had an elective c/s so that she could be "in control"
(This woman only ever saw an obstetrician)
 
I have recently had a couple of women quite insistent on their "right" to a c/s when they were in labour. The caregivers involved denied their requests as there was no good medical indication and had to be quite forceful at the time.  The women were later very thankful for the "denial" of their "rights" and though difficult the caregivers were able to deny them because of the relationships developed throughout the antenatal period.
We all know that many, many women verbalise fear based desires when they are in transition or at a difficult point in labour or pregnancy - should we take these at face value?  I guess if you don't know the woman already it is much harder to make the right judgements.  ROLL OUT NMAP!
 
Sandra
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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: presentation - words of wisdom?

I think thats it it has to come from the woman ie I want an active birth. ie Thanks fior that information but at the moment I dont want whatever ie arm ctg
Yes its possible in a public hospital to be in charge as long as the midwife supports the woman and thats the problem to often the mw has her own agenda ie active birth no drugs intact perinem time management etc if a woman is making an informed chioce then we should support her . [also give har alternatives etc ]
Recently I supported a woman through her planned c/s no medical reason the woman had a wonder ful birth experience and her baby and her are bonded and b/f with passion. Her last birth was "normal" and she had severe PND was medicated b/f a disaster and problems with 4 yr old still .She needed to run the show and she did jan ps it was hard for me
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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 1:03 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: presentation - words of wisdom?

Thanks Jo and Melissa for your responses. Whilst your comments are invaluable, I was actually wondering about midwives perceptions on whether they think it is possible to have an active birth in a public hospital. As a clinician myself, I find that it is becoming a rarity to see a woman come into the unit in which I work and have an active birth, without some form of intervention. Indeed it is not all about the obstetrical model. The last woman I cared for in labour, during a night shift, was in the unit 10 minutes and stated, "I want an epidural. It is my right!" That's a hard call!
 
Nola
 
 

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