So, Belinda did your friend go on to birth her baby vaginally? Wow!! It sounds like a very scary trace.
marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Belinda Maier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] patient rights > I had a woman/friend very passionate Christian who had severe fetal distress > in labour who refused cs suggestions because she believed God would care for > her if she had faith. The doctor was very aggressive and tried all he could > to find a legal way to force her into a cs. Risk management were called in > (3am) and they could not do anything but get custody of the baby once it was > born. This was a situation I had not faced before and was caught between my > role as friend midwife support in keeping the doctors away ( this was what > she wanted from me) and my own fears for her baby who was at times sitting > on 40-60bpm for two or three minutes then back up to 180-190 etc. We have > been able to talk honestly about our feelings hers her husbands and my own > and I have learnt that while I cannot say I would do anything differently > (as in supporting the apparent need for emerg cs) I would move on quicker > once she made it clear that she would not agree to help her labour and birth > which is what she did (once the doctors were asked to leave the room and we > all 'got back into' the labour). What made me accept her choice and move on > to supporting her was when the doctor called in legal people it find a way > to force her which thankfully was not in their realm of power and I fear the > day they will. Although it would not be my choice I do not have more > invested in her child's wellbeing than her. Her son is doing well by the > way, constructed in the debrief 'us professionals' had as being lucky and to > her as being a result of her faith. I do not yet know where I situate myself > (as a perosn with no 'faith' in religious doctrines) but I can see that luck > versus intuition or faith is very passionatly argued by both 'sides'. Also I > passionately support women's right to there own bodily autonomy regardless > of what I or others might choose. > Belinda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Honey Acharya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:40 PM > Subject: [ozmidwifery] patient rights > > > > Leanne wrote "However, I'm pretty sure that, legally speaking, no-one can > > *force* you to have a C-section. Does anyone know whether this is right or > > not? > > While we're on the topic, does anyone know what complications usually > result > > in C-sections, and what patient rights are re refusing a section?" > > > > As far as I know you have the right to refuse anything you don't want and > > nothing should be done to you without your permission. (I hate the stories > > of episiotomy done without permision and waters broken without asking). If > > it was the US you might be charged if you chose not to have a c-section > and > > the baby died, as in one US case a few months back. > > > > We had a women here recently who was having a VBAC (not breech) and had to > > negotiate what she wanted with the Hospital. They have policy of having > > continuous monitoring and canula in the hand when you are "Trial of scar". > > She said she was happy to have monitoring every hour but refused to be > > strapped continously to it and the Ob made her sign a waiver saying that > > they had discussed all the risks etc She had a wonderful VBAC but really > had > > to work to get what she wanted and to prepare herself for it. > > Many women don't even realise they have a choice with alot of the care > they > > get. The women I meet here don't even consider having a vaginal breech > birth > > because the doctors just book them in for a c-section. > > > > Honey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 12:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breech baby wisdom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They probably were pushing for her to have a caesar...I'm booked in > > > > with the Family Birth Centre at the Royal Womens in Melbourne, and > > > > their hospital policy (for the whole hospital including the FBC, that > > > > is) is that all breech births are immediate C-sections. > > > > > > > > However, I'm pretty sure that, legally speaking, no-one can *force* > > > > you to have a C-section. Does anyone know whether this is right or > not? > > > > > > > > While we're on the topic, does anyone know what complications usually > > > > result in C-sections, and what patient rights are re refusing a > section? > > > > > > > > Leanne XXX > > > > > > Leanne, I used to work at the RWH in Melbourne while I was training to > > > be a Midwife. In my interview, one question they asked me was, if > > > someone was in labour, and they needed an emergency c/s, and they didn't > > > want one, what would you do? It turns out that you cannot force someone > > > to have a c/s if they refuse one. In their example, they used a Somali > > > woman, but I'm sure that would extend to any woman! > > > > > > If you were refusing a c/s for a breech, I'm sure they would make you > > > sign something to waive your right to sue if anything happened though. > > > > > > HTH > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > > > > > > -- > > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
