You can also empower them to say "NO, You are not digitally penetrating me just for your own satisfaction or I will yell abuse" or word to that effect.
Cheers
Judy

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31/08/2006 2:14:47 pm >>>
Hi everyone,

I really need some constructive advice here...if we can't garner enough evidence, (we are doing a lit search as well) women at Casey Hospital will be subjected to unnecessary VEs which midwives will be obliged to perform to remain inside Southern Health Clinical Guidelines.

Thanks
Sally
---- Renee Adair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Count me in also please.
> I can be emailed at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Much thanks,
> Renee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of nunyara
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 12:55 PM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
>
>
> Me as well, please!!
> I am a Naturopath specialising in Fertility care and Doula in training so if
> you could send the picture to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it would be much
> appreciated.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers
> Sent: Thursday, 31 August 2006 11:02 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
>
> Me please!!
> Am in the middle of training doulas and was trying to explain to them what
> it looks like..
> Thankyou!!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jo Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
>
>
> > Sure.  Just don't look at my butt ;)  There are no attachments  allowed on
>
> > this mailing list, am I right?
> > I guess I can just email it to those who ask to see it.
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Jo
> >
> > On 31/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, meg wrote:
> >
> >> Can we see it?
> >> Megan
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Watson"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:49 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
> >>
> >>
> >>> Two words:
> >>> PURPLE LINE
> >>> I have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!)
> >>> :)
> >>> Jo
> >>> On 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote:
> >>>> Just to add to this...
> >>>> There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs  and
> >>>> midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way  to
> >>>> ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised  healthy
> >>>> women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence  showing that
> >>>> doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to  hospital (then 4-6
> >>>> hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are  able to assess  progress
>
> >>>> in different ways (all of which have  been poo-pooed by the
> >>>> medicos)...so...am needing the help of all  you wonderfully wise  women
>
> >>>> out there.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sally
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally @ home"
> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>> To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:30 PM
> >>>> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when  to
> >>>>> do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital  setting.  And
> >>>>> what evidence they base their practice on.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally
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