RE: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option

[Megan & Larry]

Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial

further to supporting ECV is osteotherapy. My osteopath recently shared with me her experience of treating a client with a breech baby who was being forced into having a c/s. Her Dr's were very synical of the idea. Working with both, the woman had scans etc but also had a treatment before (not sure how long) the ECV. Osteo can treat both Mum and baby, creating a nice spacious environment and perhaps addressing some fears the baby has etc. In this case, bubs turned beautifully, much to the astonishment of the medical Dr's.   I have personally experienced an Osteo treatment with my 3rd baby who was very much responding to the hands on my belly. I could feel him hiding and eventually he came to her and it was incredibly clear to me what was going on. After, the osteo who was also my friend, was able to express some very interesting stuff about my baby that made sense.   as said, if an ECV is a womans only option for a breech lay then supporting it is important.   cheers Megan     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nunyara Sent: Thursday, 12 October 2006 9:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option Hi all!  Most of you probably already know that acupuncture can help turn a breech baby.  I know of some mothers who have used Moxa (a Chinese herb “Mugwort” in a rolled form which is lit and applied to a specific acupuncture point – Bladder 67) successfully to turn a breech bub and for others it has not worked.  However, I would recommend that professional acupuncture treatment be sought as acupuncturists use Moxa as well.  I have recently read an article in the Journal of Complementary Medicine (which is a journal for doctors and pharmacists who are trying to get in on natural therapies) which covered a scientific trial in the use of acupuncture to turn breech babies.  Of the group who had acupuncture treatment, most of those babies turned but out of the group who received no treatment, only a couple of the bubs turned.  The outcome of the trial was that acupuncture was successful with breech presentations.  I am madly trying to find which Journal this article was in but I have “safely” put it away (which means that I probably won’t ever be able to find it again!)  I am a Bowen therapist as well and have used bowen a couple of times with breech and the bubs have turned.  I think trying acupuncture and/or Bowen though is preferable to doing nothing and ending up with a C/S.   Cheers,  Ramona Lane Nunyara, Bargara Beach, Qld.   From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Honey Acharya Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006 2:18 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option   Here in Townsville Qld some of the Ob's in the Townsville Hospital perform ECV's. David Watson is particulary successful at this and I have seen him perform a few and he seems to have the right touch and technique, the women who had other Ob's try on them first and then him said he was much more gentle and it looked that way too. He has the woman lie on her side slightly and rests his knee behind their back, and using ultrasound on and off to monitor baby's position, then pushes the baby around getting them to either do a forward somersault or backward one.   The private Ob's here refuse to do it all together.   I noticed they are also performing the EECV trial (EarlyECV) around 33-34 weeks?   One of the women I was with was being offerred this option but declined preferring to give her baby further time to turn and then at 37-38 weeks when baby was still in the breech position had a successful ECV and went on to have a straightforward normal vaginal birth at 41 weeks.   Honey ----- Original Message ----- From: Helen and Graham To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option   I think it would be good to get a list of providers in each state who are performing External Cephalic Version ECV.  I know, having just been to Box Hill Maternity for an inservice, they have one or two progressive obstetricians who have a regular ECV clinic.  They have theatre on standby if needed.  I am sure plenty of women would be prepared to travel far and wide if they knew this option existed and could possibly avoid the need for LUSCS.    I know this is not optimal, but at least some women may avoid LUSCS if ECV is offered.  I think it is performed at 37 weeks to be the most successful.   I would also be interested in other units offering this service to tell the women in my care if anyone knows of them.   Thanks   Helen Cahill ----- Original Message ----- From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: term breech trial   Hi Chris I am a rural consumer, with knowledge of practices pretty much across the country. The term breech trial has done us in.  I agree the paper turning it on its head (no pun intended!) is basically being ignored.  The only vaginal breech I hear of or see in the stats, (other than those at JHH with Andrew Bisits) in the system are the undiagnosed ones and if a woman is very lucky the 2nd twin who is dragged out by forceps after she has consented to an epidural (often the only way she will be allowed to have twins vaginally). So what to do? Midwives: Raise this in clinical forums and instead of presenting the evidence for vaginal breech ask Drs what their evidence is for routine c/s. If you come across women with a breech on board provide them with all the info Consumers:  Put it out there that breech does not necessarily equal c/s and continue to mount the arguments of the furphy of risk (for much of obstetrics).  Support women we meet to demand choice. JC Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW  2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au __________ NOD32 1.1797 (20061010) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com