It's also important to point out that inside Microsoft it's a corporate policy that all front facing sites use Silverlight instead of Flash so this does often drive some solutions to be used in favor of Silverlight. The downside is often teams aren't happy with this policy and seek alternative ways to game the policy ... In using html5 internally from hence forth could also help you avoid this policy and gain favor with the windows org (owners of ie team) so I think what Paul is probably eluding to is that a Titan like live / bing team helped the cause.. Now it's probably office or windows titans to back or reject silverlight and wpf from here on out.
Past successes around bets on silverlight are as useful in today's discussion as past bets on wpf or Winforms.. A team can will drop a tech as fast as it took to use it should the winds of political change and budgets hold true.. my point is - be faithful to the mistress silverlight and/or wpf but don't fall blindly in luv with either to the point where you reject any hint of change for fear it disrupts your belief systems .. The timing is just bad atm -- Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 01/11/2010, at 4:48 PM, Jose Fajardo <jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com> wrote: > With all respect Paul Stovell I can't make sense of what your diagrams are > saying. I apologize if I'm reading them incorrectly BUT the way I read that > diagram your suggesting that with Rays' exodus Silverlight has no champion > within MS and it will literally cease to exist?! > > I guess if you only read blog & news articles, which pretty much relay that > message, you'd be forgiven for thinking that way. > > But if you look at the facts MS are doing everything but neglecting > Silverlight... > > Just look at Microsoft's use of Silverlight & Penetration Numbers... > > 1. New Products > a) the new Azure portal , > b) Windows InTune , > c) Lync client are all Silverlight apps > d) Silverlight profiling tool in VS - massive investment by MS for > Silverlight development > d) Lightswitch > e) PivotControl - this has massive potential to change the data > visualization and mining industry > f) etc.... many others that I'm sure will be announced in the near > and far future > > > 2. Deep integration of Silverlight into existing core products - deep > Silverlight integration across the business, Live and server products (eg. > Sharepoint/ MSCRM / Live Portal / Bing all have strong Silverlight > integration) > > 3. Penetration numbers > > ~ 96% Flash > ~ 69% Silverlight (that’s up from 64%) > ~ 10% (once you add up all the numbers) > > > http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?limit%5B%5D=ie&limit%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=opera&limit%5B%5D=netscape > > > Again I apologize if I've miss-read your graphs BUT the way I see it based on > the facts in front of me (from Microsoft's announcements and public data) > Silverlight is alive and kicking and most importantly has healthy investment > from Microsoft! > > Regards > Jose Fajardo > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com > [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of > ozsilverlight-requ...@ozsilverlight.com > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:22 PM > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > Subject: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8 > > Send ozsilverlight mailing list submissions to > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ozsilverlight-requ...@ozsilverlight.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ozsilverlight-ow...@ozsilverlight.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: > Contents of ozsilverlight digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? (Miguel Madero) > 2. RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet? (Darren Neimke) > 3. Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? (Paul Stovell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 > From: Miguel Madero <m...@miguelmadero.com> > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: ozSilverlight <ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com> > Message-ID: > <aanlktinc0xdyf6hexb6zy0pcnpf8x_ensbhyn3iwr...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for > WPF internally or externally. > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <p...@paulstovell.com> wrote: > > > I took the liberty of graphing this: > > > > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price > > <step...@littlevoices.com>wrote: > > > >> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? > >> *feigned shocked look* > >> > >> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for > >> ages. Nothing changed here. > >> > >> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <m...@miguelmadero.com> > >> wrote: > >> > I like how Shawn puts it, > >> >> > >> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. > >> > > >> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use > >> > cases > >> for > >> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment > >> > (not > >> much > >> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), > >> > other devices (maybe?). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell > >> > <p...@paulstovell.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> ...at least for non-phones: > >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve > >> rlight-has-shifted/7834 > >> >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Deba > >> >> te > >> >> Paul > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> ozsilverlight mailing list > >> >> ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > >> >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Miguel A. Madero Reyes > >> > www.miguelmadero.com (blog) > >> > m...@miguelmadero.com > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > ozsilverlight mailing list > >> > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > >> > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ozsilverlight mailing list > >> ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul Stovell > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > > > > -- > Miguel A. Madero Reyes > www.miguelmadero.com (blog) > m...@miguelmadero.com > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/pipermail/ozsilverlight/attachments/20101101/18b71073/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:57:28 -0700 > From: Darren Neimke <darren.nei...@live.com> > Subject: RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: "ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com" > <ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com> > Message-ID: <snt143-w452e1411fc806a0a0dc32282...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective? > Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this that you'd > focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different perspective > you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these technologies? Here's > the type of view I mean: > http://twitpic.com/32us7s > > > Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com > > > > > From: m...@miguelmadero.com > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for > WPF internally or externally. > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <p...@paulstovell.com> wrote: > > > I took the liberty of graphing this: > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price <step...@littlevoices.com> > wrote: > > > > Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? > > *feigned shocked look* > > > > I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for > > ages. Nothing changed here. > > > > Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <m...@miguelmadero.com> wrote: > > > I like how Shawn puts it, > > >> > > >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. > > > > > > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use > > cases for > > > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment > > (not much > > > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other > > > devices (maybe?). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <p...@paulstovell.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> ...at least for non-phones: > > >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ > > >> > > >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve > >> rlight-has-shifted/7834 > > > > > >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate > > >> Paul > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> ozsilverlight mailing list > > >> ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Miguel A. Madero Reyes > > > www.miguelmadero.com (blog) > > > m...@miguelmadero.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > -- > Paul Stovell > > > _______________________________________________ > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > > -- > Miguel A. Madero Reyes > www.miguelmadero.com (blog) > m...@miguelmadero.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/pipermail/ozsilverlight/attachments/20101031/27188188/attachment-0001.html > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:04:00 +1000 > From: Paul Stovell <p...@paulstovell.com> > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: ozSilverlight <ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com> > Message-ID: > <aanlktimwbwn=nsjdbgco7-qaw61abv8czvw+3omjh...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I notice "Mobile" is missing from your graph. What are you telling us > Darren? :) > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Darren Neimke <darren.nei...@live.com>wrote: > > > As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective? > > [image: > > Smile] Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this > > that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different > > perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these > > technologies? Here's the type of view I mean: > > > > http://twitpic.com/32us7s > > > > > > > > Darren Neimke > > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: m...@miguelmadero.com > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 > > > > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > > > Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) > > for WPF internally or externally. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <p...@paulstovell.com> wrote: > > > > I took the liberty of graphing this: > > > > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price > > <step...@littlevoices.com>wrote: > > > > Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? > > *feigned shocked look* > > > > I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for > > ages. Nothing changed here. > > > > Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <m...@miguelmadero.com> wrote: > > > I like how Shawn puts it, > > >> > > >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. > > > > > > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use cases > > for > > > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment (not > > much > > > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other > > > devices (maybe?). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <p...@paulstovell.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ...at least for non-phones: > > >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ > > >> > > >> > > http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834 > > >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate > > >> Paul > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> ozsilverlight mailing list > > >> ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Miguel A. 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