The problem with posting a response directly on PerlMonks is that not all of us are there or want to keep up with two lists of the same discussion. To some degree splitting the discussion onto two forums is counter productive. I personally don't think those things require a response on PerlMonks and would prefer to keep all related discussion here..
I think it is fair to say that P5EE is in an early stage and these criticisms are valid although there may also be valid responses. So if Tilly doesn't want to be part of a project too early, then that's a fair opinion. In addition, I don't believe we need evangelism at the moment. What is really required is the work to take the project beyond the discussion stage. Stephen and some others (eg Brian Moseley) have already produced code that could easily fit.. But it is still quite early. At 09:06 AM 2/5/2002, Rob Casey wrote: >Oops ... I forgot to CC: the list on this one ... > >Cheers, >Rob > > >G'Day Aaron and all, > >After subscribing to this list, I had meant just to lurk quietly for a >few weeks to pick up on where development was at, list etiquette and >alike, however, being the original poster of the thread in question >(rob_au), I thought I might just contribute a few comments here. > >One of the key aspects which Ben Tilly (tilly) has focused on is the >lack of discernable direction and client application for this project. >This is a criticism that I think I would have to share to a certain >extent with Ben, in that while, yes, P5EE is aimed at building robust >modules for business and enterprise systems, there isn't a great deal of >information (please, correct me if I am wrong on this - Remember too, >that I have only just subscribed to this list) on the direction and >structure of the project. The web site up at http://p5ee.perl.org >offers some fairly basic details and overview of the project, and while >sufficient to get me interested in finding out more, if I was not >immediately working within such a business/enterprise environment, I >doubt I would have given the project much more than a glance. > >Some of the questions raised about project goals and vision conflict too >are valid in that from the web site there isn't much about project >administration outlined. Now, reading through a few emails that >followed this, I see that there is already a voting and conflict system >in place, so this is really more of a moot point, nevertheless, the lack >of clear definition of some of this aspects of the project can only >detract from its worth. > >I would encourage you to make your post on Perlmonks Aaron as I believe >it is an excellent forum for the discussion of issues such as this >within the Perl community. Although I think your post could more >directly address some of the issues raised with the project, expanding >upon the points already starting to be raised within this mailing list >thread. > >Regards, >Rob > > >Rob Casey >Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services >http://development.cowsnet.com.au/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Aaron Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2002 9:19 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: P5EE concerns raised on Perl Monks > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I wanted to post a link to a reply to a post about getting > > involved with P5EE on Perl Monks. > > http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=143091 > > > > I have another article ready to post on Perl Monks in > > reference/response, but want to get some more feedback from > > the list before I spoke with my single mind. > > > > You can view my possible response at: > > >http://www.gina.net/p5ee_post.html > >Aaron Johnson __________________________________________________ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Open Web Technology Company http://www.eXtropia.com/
