On 2013-06-28T11:11:00, Andrew Beekhof <and...@beekhof.net> wrote: > >> Maybe you're right, maybe I should stop fighting it and go with the > >> firefox approach. > >> That certainly seemed to piss a lot of people off though... > > If there's one message I've learned in 13 years of work on Linux HA, > > then it is that people are *always* going to be pissed off. ;-) > Ok, so are you actually proposing we switch upstream to Pacemaker-{integer} > releases, forsake any notion of stable versions and leave that to the > enterprise distros?
I'm with you on this, except for "forsake any notion of stable versions". My grumbling about 1.1.8 was mostly because it was an *exception* (from where I stand); for the most part, all pacemaker versions have been continuously progressing and regressions were "rare enough", partly due to the diligence of the developer(s), but also due to the rather extensive regression test suites, and keeping backwards compatibility (which is, anyway, a strong requirement due to the need of supporting rolling upgrades). So it was always easy enough to just upgrade, effectively following a "firefox model". (Or a Linux kernel 3.x model, more like.) As far as I can see, 1.1.x already did that. There's an exception: dropping commonly used external interfaces (say, "ptest") needs to be announced a few releases in advance before enacted upstream. (And if Enterprise distributions want to keep something, they have time to prepare for that.) And of course, if major components get rewritten, they either need more testing or should be in place in parallel for 1 or 2 releases. Even though an Enterprise model pays my bills, I'm a big fan of continuous delivery. I believe that everything else is mostly madness. (Perpetuated by customers willing to pay for it, and because admittedly not all components have good test suites.) Regards, Lars -- Architect Storage/HA SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes." -- Oscar Wilde _______________________________________________ Pacemaker mailing list: Pacemaker@oss.clusterlabs.org http://oss.clusterlabs.org/mailman/listinfo/pacemaker Project Home: http://www.clusterlabs.org Getting started: http://www.clusterlabs.org/doc/Cluster_from_Scratch.pdf Bugs: http://bugs.clusterlabs.org