Aaron:

You'll enjoy Virginia Beach.  I say that not just because I live near
there!  The conference size is not huge, but not extra small either; and
offers plenty of opportunity for learning outside of the course you may take

Kevin

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Aaron <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
> Thanks for your responses. I actually have your book, Seth! I've not
> started it yet, but it is on my CISSP study list.
>
> Thank you all for the advice on the Work Study program. I've applied
> for the Virginia Beach conference which is in a few months. I agree
> that $800 vs $5000 is a hard argument to beat especially when paying
> for it out of my own, shallow pocket. :)
>
> Aaron
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 11:15 AM, mike p <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Aaron,
> >
> > I've never taken Sec301.  I have taken both Sec401 and 504 and I can say
> > that if you feel (as I did) that one needed a foundation before jumping
> in,
> > 401 seemed to have more technical/hands on focus vs. Sec301.  Having said
> > that, I've always had a blast at SANS, so I doubt you could go 'wrong'
> with
> > SEC301, just that SEC401 seems like a better fit for what you describe.
> I'd
> > go for 401.
> >
> > Having said that, please be sure to apply to the Work Study program:
> >
> > http://www.sans.org/security-training/volunteer.php
> >
> > It's SANS training (plus a lot of hard but rewarding work) at a discount.
> > The other benefit is it gives you a few months of online access to the
> > materials for the $850 (or so depending on course).  It is definitely a
> must
> > if you are paying for SANS on your own dime.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Mike
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Ty Purcell <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron,
> >>
> >> Based on the below, then I second the recommendation of 401 w/ bootcamp,
> >> and then take the GSEC certification.  That is also one of the certs
> that I
> >> see as desired in some job listings.  In my opinion, I wouldn't worry
> about
> >> the Security+ certification.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ty
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:17 AM
> >> To: PaulDotCom Security Weekly Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [Pauldotcom] SANSFire 2011
> >>
> >> David,
> >> I guess you can say it is weird that I am a part of this list but have
> >> no official training. My background is in running small businesses as
> >> an IT generalist (for lack of a better term). I've always been
> >> fascinated with security and think I have a knack for it. My wife and
> >> I are currently trying to move west; be it Seattle area, Portland, OR
> >> area, or Denver. What I've (embarrassingly) found in all of the
> >> interviews I've been on is A) I don't have the experience and B) I
> >> don't have the requisite knowledge companies are looking for in a
> >> candidate. Thus far in my career, I've either taught myself everything
> >> I've needed to know whether reading and applying, or picking the
> >> brains of those more knowledgeable than I (hence this list). My
> >> knowledge of systems, infrastructure, TCP/IP, networking, etc has all
> >> been very informal, rudimentary, and full of holes. Again, learning
> >> what I needed to, to accomplish the job/task at hand then moving on.
> >> During the interview process I cannot answer some questions or can
> >> only answer them at a very basic level. (And yes, there is a good
> >> chance I'm being hard on myself, but I don't think I'm too far off the
> >> mark.)
> >>
> >> Regardless of how well I portray this in interviews, companies are not
> >> willing to hire someone on speculation. At least not with the job
> >> market the way it is. Therefore, I've decided on two approaches. First
> >> I'm going for training and certs on my own dime. Second, I'm looking
> >> for entry level positions related to security or positions I think
> >> will benefit me and help me move up to a security position.
> >>
> >> I hope that has cleared some of this up. So, knowing the background,
> >> you can see why I was looking at the lower level courses in which to
> >> start. I think I have a decent technical background and with some
> >> basic certs like Security+ or Networking+ I think I can back-fill
> >> whatever information I'm missing.
> >>
> >> I appreciate your reply about the auditing class. I will need to make
> >> a decision very soon as the conference is only a few weeks away.
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 6:21 PM, David Hoelzer
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > It's a good course.  I know Fred well and he's a good instructor.
> >> >
> >> > It seems weird that someone on this list would have no security
> training
> >> > at all.  If you don't mind my asking, what kind of background do you
> have?
> >> >  I ask because if you're from more of an operational background and
> are
> >> > looking to apply security to things and develop good practice, I'd
> send you
> >> > straight over to AUD 507 (don't let the audit piece fool you...
>  there's
> >> > audit stuff, but it's really what sorts of operational practices and
> >> > controls should be in place that auditors ought to look for).
> >> >
> >> > On the other hand, if you have a decent technical background but
> nothing
> >> > on the security side and aren't worried about development of secure
> >> > practices, I'd send you toward SEC 401.  It's a whirlwind tour of just
> about
> >> > everything to do with security.  Prepare to be exhausted. ;)
> >> >
> >> > Best regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Jul 3, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Aaron wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> All,
> >> >>
> >> >> I am looking at attending SANSFire 2011 in DC this month and taking
> >> >> Security 301: Intro to Information Security with Fred Kerby. Does
> >> >> anyone have anything good (or bad) to say about this course? Having
> no
> >> >> formal training in security, I think it would be a great way to get
> my
> >> >> feet wet and get some experience under my belt. Do you think it's
> >> >> worth the $3500 price tag?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you
> >> >>
> >> >> Aaron
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