Folks,

Off the top, I want to sincerely apologize for the lateness of this review. A bunch of day-job things followed by an ill-timed vacation conspired to make this very late.

Overall, I want to say that while I have some issues with this document, they are almost all of the form that there is *too much* information in the document. Section 4 is 19 pages of the document, and for the life of me I can't connect up the use cases in section 4 with the requirements in section 6. I am inclined to seriously trim down the use cases so that it is clear what use case corresponds to what requirement. There is also quite a bit of material in sections 1 through 3 that are about whitespace itself and the regulatory environment. As I've said before in face-to-face meetings and on this list, this protocol, while it is being used for access to a whitespace database, has scant little to do with whitespace. You don't even need to know much about anything about radio to implement this protocol; it's a database access protocol with a set of fields returned that happen to have information about whitespace usage. So please (to quote Douglas Adams), "Don't panic!" Take the below comments as simply an attempt to remove extra unnecessary information; as I said, for the most part, that is my main complaint. But I do think we want to take a shot at clearing this up before Last Call, let alone before IESG Evaluation. Other ADs will not be so kind! :-)

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Specifics:

1.1.  Introduction to white space

   Academia and Industry have studied
   multiple cognitive radio mechanisms for use in such a scenario.

"Cognitive Radio" is undefined.

   Spectrum useable for data communications, especially wireless
   Internet communications, is scarce. ...

I think everything up to the last two sentences of this paragraph is unnecessary and doesn't add to the document

   Any entity that is assigned
   spectrum that is not densely used may be asked to give it up in one
   way or another for more intensive use.  Providing a mechanism by
   which additional users share the spectrum with the assigned user is
   attractive in many bands in many countries.

That's fine

   Television transmission until now has primarily been analog. ...

This paragraph and the figure are completely unneeded.

   The fundamental issue is how to determine for a specific location and
   specific time if any of the spectrum is available for additional use.
   ...

I'm not sure whether the above is necessary or not. I don't see what it adds.

1.2.1.  In Scope

   This document applies only to communications required for basic
   service in TV white spaces.

That sentence is just wrong. First, it's worded as if this document is about *communications* in TV white spaces. It's obviously not about that at all; it applies to *database access for discovery of whitespace allocations*. But even there, it's also not at all clear that this document applies only to TV white spaces. This protocol is applicable to any shared spectrum, whether it is coming from TV white space or otherwise. What I think you mean to say is, "This document lays out the requirements for accessing a database of information about available spectrum, with a specific eye to the use case of TV white spaces. Requirements outside of that use case are not accounted for." We don't want to say that this document *can't* be used for other such databases; it just isn't taking those requirements into account.

2.2.  Terminology

   Database

      In the context of white space and cognitive radio technologies,
      the database is an entity which contains, but is not limited to,

You say, "not limited to". What other kinds of things might be in there?

      current information as required by by the regulatory policies...

The phrase "as required by regulatory policies" is unneeded. The information in the database might be required by regulators, or it might not. Regulatory policies have nothing to do with the requirements of the protocol.

   Device Class

      Identifies classes of devices defined by Regional Regulators,
      ...

Again, "defined by Regional Regulators" should be removed.

      including fixed, mobile, portable, etc...  May also indicate if
      the device is indoor or outdoor.

   Slave Device

      A device which uses the spectrum made available by a master
      device, and cannot query the database directly.

Do you mean "cannot" or "does not"? In other words, if a device has direct Internet access and is able to communicate with the database, is it by definition a master device?

3.  Prior Work

I didn't find section 3 at all useful. Could someone explain what this adds to the document? An understanding of this did not help me in section 6, which is what I would expect.

4.  Use cases and protocol services

   There are many potential use cases that could be considered for the
   TV white space spectrum.  ...

So my basic issue with this section (and this paragraph) is that many of the use cases are architecturally identical for purposes of the requirements. I think a good deal of compression could be done in this section.

4.1.1.  White space database discovery

   ...  The master device will need to discover a
   trusted database in the relevant regulatory domain, using the
   following steps:

"Regulatory domain" is unnecessary.

   1.  The master device is connected to the Internet by any means...

That's fine.

       ...other
       than using the white space radio.  A local regulator may identify
       exception cases where a master may initialize over white space
       (e.g. the FCC allows a master to initialize over the TV white
       space in certain conditions).

The rest of this is out of band and not relevant to the protocol.

   Optionally the radio device is pre-programmed with the Internet
   address of at least one trusted database.  The device can establish
   contact with a trusted database using one of the pre-programmed
   Internet addresses and establish a white space network (as described
   in one of the following use cases).

OK.

   Optionally the initial query will be made to a listing approved by
   the national regulator for the domain of operation (e.g. a website
   either hosted by or under control of the national regulator) which
   maintains a list of WS databases and their Internet addresses.  The
   query results in the list of databases and their Internet addresses
   being sent to the master, which then evaluates the response to
   determine if a trusted database can be identified where the master
   device is able to register and receive service from the database.

The above seems identical to the previous paragraph. Can't this paragraph be removed?

4.1.2.  Device registration with trusted Database

   Registration may be preliminary to creating a radio network using
   white space; in some regulatory domains, for some device types, it is
   a prerequisite to the use cases below.  The radio network is created
   by a master device.  Before the master device can transmit in white
   space spectrum, it must contact a trusted database where the device
   can learn if any channels are available for it to use.

The above is confusing to me. What does it mean to create the radio network before transmitting? And again, why is this relevant to the protocol?


                              \|/                            ----------
                               |                             |Database|
                               |                     .---.   /---------
                             |-|---------|          (     ) /
     \|/                     |  Master   |         /       \
      |                   /  |           |========( Internet )
      |                  /   |-----------|         \        /
    +-|----+   (AirIF)                              (      )
    |Master|  /                                      (----)
    |      | /
    +------+

    Figure 2: Example illustration of registration requirement in white
                              space use-case


Master appears twice is this diagram. Are there two masters in this model? I don't understand what this means.

   A simplified operational scenario showing registration consists of
   the following steps:

   1.  The master device must register with its most current and up-to-
       date information.  Typically the master device will register
       prior to operating in white space for the first time after power
       up, after changing location by a predetermined distance, and
       after regular time intervals.

Is the above simply an authentication step?

   2.  The master device shall provide to the database during
       registration all information required according to local
       regulatory requirements.  This information may include, but is
       not limited to, the Device ID, serial number assigned by the
       manufacturer the device's location, device antenna height above
       ground, name of the individual or business that owns the device,
       name of a contact person responsible for the device's operation
       address for the contact person, email address for the contact
       person and phone number of the contact person.

Is the above to be specified by the protocol, or is this simply a blob of information that has only local meaning? For instance, will the database announce the information it needs for registration, or will the device simply have to know this out of band? I don't see anything in section 6 regarding this.

   3.  The database shall respond to the registration request with an
       acknowledgement code to indicate the success or failure of the
       registration request.  Additional information may be provided
       according to local regulator requirements.

Are there semantics to the acknowldgement code beyond "Registered" and "Not registered"? If so, is the IETF defining those?

4.2.  Use cases

4.2.1.  Hotspot: urban Internet connectivity service

First let me say that I can find no difference architecturally between this use case and wide-area/rural deployment in 4.2.2. Indeed, the diagrams are almost identical. So I see no need to separate this out into two sections; they should at least be combined. That said:

   In this use case Internet connectivity service is provided in a
   "hotspot" to local users.  Typical deployment scenarios include urban
   areas where Internet connectivity is provided to local businesses and
   residents, and campus environments where Internet connectivity is
   provided to local buildings and relatively small outdoor areas.

The above seems unimportant. Whether it's a hotspot, or provider to campus or local buildings, or wide-area/rural is not important to the architecture. They key an Internet access point that wants to talk to devices over whitespace spectrum discovering which spectrum to use by querying the database.

   This
   deployment scenario is typically characterized by multiple masters
   ...

If this is typical, why is only one master shown in the figure. You'd think that would be important to the diagram. However, I suspect it isn't important to the architecture and that this discussion about multiple masters can be removed.

   (APs or hotspots) in close proximity, with low antenna height, cells
   with relatively small radius (a few kilometers or less), and limited
   numbers of available radio channels.  Many of the masters/APs are
   assumed to be individually deployed and operated, i.e. there is no
   coordination between many of the masters/APs.  The masters/APs in
   this scenario use a TDD radio technology.  Each master/AP has a
   connection to the Internet and may provide Internet connectivity to
   other master and slave devices.

TDD is undefined. AP is undefined. And again, I see nothing in the above important to the architecture being discussed.

          Figure 3:

Slaves are labeled as "device". That's confusing.

  1.   ...A local
        regulator may identify exception cases where a master may
        initialize over white space (e.g. the FCC allows a master to
        initialize over TV white space in certain conditions).

This sounds like a different deployment scenario, not the same one.

   3.   The master/AP registers with the trusted database according to
        regulatory domain requirements (see Section 4.1.2).

Regulatory domain requirement are irrelevent. You can strike that part.

   4.   ...The complete set of parameters to be provided
        from the master to the database is specified by the local
        regulator.

No, it's provided by database policy. Local regulators may specify their particular database policy, but that's outside of the protocol.

   5.   If the master/AP has met all regulatory domain requirements
        (e.g. been previously authenticated, etc)...

Is there anything beyond authentication here? Importantly, neither the master nor the database can understand the semantics of "regulatory domain requirements"can they? That's all out of band.

   6.   Once the master/AP has met all regulatory domain requirements
        (e.g. authenticated the WS channel list response message from
        the database, etc)...

Same as above.

        ...the AP selects one or more available WS
        channels from the list.  Prior to initiating transmission, if
        required by local regulation...

It's not "local regulation", it's protocol that would require the answer, right?

   7-13.

Except for relaying information about the slaves to the database and how frequencies/channels are determined, isn't everything thing else in 7-13 what a normal device/AP interaction would look like? This can all be reduced to one or two points it seems to me.

4.2.2.  Wide-Area or Rural Internet broadband access

As I said above, this appears architecturally identical to 4.2.1.

   A typical deployment scenario is a wide area or rural area, where
   Internet broadband access is provided to local businesses and
   residents from a master (i.e., BS) connected to the Internet.

BS is undefined. Probably best to define it. :-)

4.2.3.  Offloading: moving traffic to a white space network

This example is obfuscated by the mention of "3G" and "YouTube". First of all, there is nothing about 3G that is unique to this scenario; the desire to use white space instead of any kind of more costly internet connection (metered wire service, metered wireless service, metered satellite service) is what's relevant. Second, using a widget or an online service is also irrelevant; the key is that a high-bandwidth or other costly service is to be used. (The mention of "YouTube" is, I think, especially inappropriate.) This entire section could use some rewriting.

4.2.4.  White space serving as backhaul

   In this use case Internet connectivity service is provided to users
   over a more common wireless standard such as Wi-Fi with white space
   entities providing backhaul connectivity to the Internet.  In a
   typical deployment scenario an end user has a device with a radio
   such as Wi-Fi.  An Internet service provider or a small business
   owner wants to provide Wi-Fi Internet connectivity service to their
   customers.  The location where Internet connectivity service via
   Wi-Fi is to be provided is within the coverage area of a white space
   master (e.g.  Hotspot or Wide-Area/Rural network).  The service
   provider installs a white space slave device and connects it to the
   Wi-Fi access point(s).  Wi-Fi access points with an integrated white
   space slave component may also be used.  This deployment scenario is
   typically characterized by a WS master/AP/BS providing local
   coverage.  The master/AP has a connection to the Internet and
   provides Internet connectivity to slave devices that are within its
   coverage area.  The WS slave device is 'bridged' to a Wi-Fi network
   thereby enabling Internet connectivity service to Wi-Fi devices.  The
   WS Master/AP/BS which has some form of Internet connectivity (wired
   or wireless) queries the database and obtains available channel
   information.  It then provides service using those channels to slave
   devices which are within its coverage area.

   Figure 6 shows an example deployment of this scenario.


                        \|/     white    \|/    \|/   Wi-Fi \|/
                         |      space     |      |           |
                         |                |      |         |-|----|
       |--------|      |-|---------|    |-|------|-|       | Wi-Fi|
       |        |      | Master    |    |  Slave   |       | Dev  |
       |Internet|------| (AP/BS)   |    |  Bridge  |       |------|
       |        |      |           |    | to Wi-Fi |
       |--------|      |-----------|    |----------|        \|/
                                                             |
                                                           |-|----|
                                                           | Wi-Fi|
                                                           | Dev  |
                                                           |------|

                         Figure 6: WS for backhaul

The description of this deployment scenario is not well written, and the figure does nothing to help. Aren't the Wi-fi devices supposed to be connected to the slave, and then the slave talks to the master? This needs some help.

4.2.5.  Rapid deployed network for emergency scenario

   ...  This
   approach does in no way imply such organizations for disaster relief
   must compete on spectrum allocation with other white spaces users,
   but they can. ...

That sentence seems unnecessary.

4.2.6.  Mobility

How does this use case differ architecturally from 4.2.1? Why isn't this case just a subcase of 4.2.1, like 4.2.2?


4.2.7.  Indoor Networking

Isn't this just the same as 4.2.1 without geolocation? Again, seems like it could be combined and shortened.

5.  Problem Statement

   In Figure 11, note that there could be multiple databases serving
   white space devices.  The databases are country specific since the
   regulations and available spectrum may vary.

Location specific, not country specific, right? It may be that multiple countries share a database, or it may be that a single country has multiple databases for sub-locales, right? The architecture doesn't depend on "country".

5.1.  Global applicability

   The use of TV white space spectrum is currently approved by the FCC
   in the United States.  However regulatory bodies in other countries
   are also considering similar use of available spectrum.  ...

Again, the mention of the regulatory bodies here is unnecessary as it doesn't impact this protocol.

   4.  Address regulatory requirements - Each country is likely to have
       regulations that are unique to that country.  The messaging
       interface needs to be flexible to accommodate the specific needs
       of a regulatory body in the country where the white space device
       is operating and connecting to the relevant database.

I would rewrite this to say: "4. Flexible and extensible data structures - Different databases are likely to have different requirements for the kinds of data required for registration as well as the kinds of data returned with available white space. For instance, different regulatory bodies might require different information to be passed between the database and the device accessing it." Again, don't make the regulatory body part of the problem statement; the need to accommodate different data is the requirement.

5.4.  Data model definition

   ...
   Use of XML for specifying a data model is an attractive option.  The
   intent is to evaluate the best option that meets the need for use
   between white space devices and databases.

The mention of XML here is premature. Give it as one example (perhaps including JSON as another) if you think you need such an example.


6.  Requirements

6.1.  Normative Requirements

      D. Data Model Requirements:

      D.1:  The Data Model MUST support specifying the location of the
            WSD, the uncertainty in meters, the height & its
            uncertainty, and confidence in percentage of the location
            determination. ...

"Location" in the above is ambiguous. You mean the "geographic location", right?

            ...The Data Model MUST support both North
            American Datum of 1983 and WGS84.

Neither of these has a reference. Also, if NAD is really a requirement, shouldn't there be others listed?

      D.2:  The Data Model MUST support specifying the regulatory domain
            and its corresponding data requirements.

That is poorly written. I don't understand what needs to go in a protocol from the above. Don't you just mean that the Data Model MUST be extensible?

      D.3:  The Data Model MUST support specifying an ID of the
            transmitter device.  This ID would contain the ID of the
            transmitter device that has been certified by a regulatory
            body for its regulatory domain.  The Data Model MUST support
            a device class.  The Data Model MUST support specifying
            information about the type of RAT of the transmitter device.

What sort of data is an ID? You probably need to mention that. Also "RAT" is undefined.

       P. Protocol Requirements:

      P.1:   The protocol MUST provide a mechanism to enable WSD
             discovery.  In some environments, a listing of the approved
             white space databases is maintained by the national
             regulator.  The protocol MUST support discovery of a
             database using a listing approved by a national regulator.

The "national regulator" portion of the requirement is not the requirement. What is it about the list a national regulator provides that is different, protocol-wise, from any other list from which the WSD is discovered?

      P.3:   The protocol MUST support determination of regulatory
             domain governing its current location.

I don't know what that requirement means.

      P.8:   The protocol MUST support the master device registering
             with the database.

What is "registering" independent of authentication/authorization?

      P.10:  The protocol MUST support a channel query request from the
             master device to the database.  The channel query request
             message MUST include parameters as required by local
             regulatory requirement.  These parameters MAY include any
             of the parameters and attributes required to be supported
             in the Data Model Requirements.

Strike the second sentence. Unnecessary.

6.2.  Non-normative requirements

I don't understand what a non-normative requirement is. Are these just pre-requisites? Please explain.

I'm guessing that the 2119 language in this section is misused, but let me understand what the section is meant to say first.

   O.4:   The master device MUST implement at least one connection
          method to access the database.  The master device MAY contact
          a database directly for service (e.g. as defined by FCC) or
          the master device MAY contact a listing server first followed
          by contact to a database (e.g. as defined by Ofcom).

References needed for FCC and Ofcom if you insist on noting them. (I don't think they're necessary.)

   O.5:   The master device MUST obtain an indication about the
          regulatory domain governing operation at its current location,
          i.e. the master device MUST know if it operates under
          regulations from FCC, Ofcom, etc...

That would be completely out of band, correct?


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