Izwe Lethu M'AFrika Masoga

 

Kindly share with us the purpose and objective of this National Caucus and
the agenda, such that we can sensitise comrades about it. Is this the first
meeting or not, if there was another meeting kindly share the minutes or
outcomes. We will form part on any initiative openly and sincerely organised
to resolve the paralyses PAC finds itself.  

 

Reality is that the centre has collapsed and constitutionally non-existing,
it is for PAC branches and members to explore constructive and principled
means to re-organise and salvage the PAC!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah

 

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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 


Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo 

PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of
this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. 

It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself
does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions
then they are Factions. 

My observation is "that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining
Table" which hamper progress in the PAC. 

Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself
today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC
though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find
the PAC people wants. 

Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and
Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where
people can air their views and put their positions across so that the
strongest Argument Wins.

Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any
grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this
situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we
need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the
process of healing and uniting forces. 

SSS 

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Cc: 'Bosole Chidi'<bosolech...@yahoo.com>

Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 

M'Afrika Masoga

 

Why can't focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial
meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national
caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening
factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise
and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings!


 

The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of
time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen
the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator
that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend that all is rosy within
the PAC!

 

Shango lashu

Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi

  

 

 

 

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Cc: Bosole Chidi
Subject: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS

 


Revolutionary Greetings MaAfrika A Mahle 

An invitation is extended to a PAC National Caucus that already met on the
30/08/14 and will continue as follows:

Date: 13/09/14

Time: 09:00 for 10:00 - 17:00

Venue : Tshwane : Boardroom 209 Ouraadsaal, opposite Standard Bank next to
Church Square 

AGENDA 

National Conference/Congress 

The Caucus is not a Constitutional Structure of the PAC of Azania but is
open to all PAC Members and Cadres. 



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Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference

 

Morning Cde. Raymond

 

I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an
individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all
others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office
bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly
pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you
maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any
given. 

 

The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and
the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must
be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and
balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness
attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and
ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood
Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in
discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing.

 

 For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of
time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is
since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its
silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG
because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and
suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough
luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like
claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has
developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak
revolutionary theory to say the least.

 

There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that
is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious
about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception
it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office
President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a
revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al
what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply
see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100
years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation,
disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of
party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will
remain the same.

 

Izwe Lethu!

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
<nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Izwe lethu M'Afrika

Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you
raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from
complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. 

Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves!

Shango lashu
Nkrumah 


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river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>

Izwe Lethu



Please find the attached for your attention.

Pass the message to other structure and members.



Regards

PAC of Azania

Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11

Fax : 086 527 0380

Email : ad...@pac.org.za

Website: www.pac.org.za



*A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM*

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