Dear Cdes. There is no point to attend a national caucus where people speak to themselves by entrenching wrong doings. When some of us we comradely and maturely approached Cde Letlapa Mphahlele and Cde Mphethi not to stand for Presidency little did we know that amateurish behaviours will resurface wherein comrades endorses incorrect means to remove a sitting president. Some of us believe that no matter how much we can differ with cdes there is no way we can be used and abused by anyone against those we differ with. What are expected to do as members and structures when we receive confusing correspondence and letters from same NEC leaders worse a President and Secretary. That conference or congress can go on but for us is neither there no there but a waste of time. We will not be used by failures to cover their own mess using other opportunists. All those who were elected at the Butterworth Congress must all be there to account there is half clever who should stand before us and present a report of courts, expulsions, suspensions and constitutional tempering under the disguise of amendments cooked from top down approach. Those attending the individually organised Bloemfontein conference can do so pleasing that organiser. Cde Raymond is right that will be a waste of time because what that person want is an attendance register which will be used if future court cases. Izwe Lethu
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:09 PM, "mphi...@gmail.com" <mphi...@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you Mo Afrika Mashilo PAC is in a state that is unacceptable and for that reason it is caucuses of this magnitude that will ensure that we chat way forward and March Forward. It is a fact that we can never see things the same way and that in itself does not necessarily mean that if Africanists disagree on certain positions then they are Factions. My observation is "that there are too many Genius around the Bargaining Table" which hamper progress in the PAC. Personalities and hatred deeply put the PAC in the state it find itself today. I appreciate the fact that MaAfrika remain to be members of the PAC though is the PAC they don't want, hence the Caucus is attempting to find the PAC people wants. Cde Ray it does not assist the PAC to have people talking in Corridors and Social networks and dismiss any attempt made to create a platform where people can air their views and put their positions across so that the strongest Argument Wins. Hence tis invitation is open to all PAC members not single - out any grouping, click or Faction. The PAC have no Luxury to correct this situation, for us to have Provincial Bossberaads is a brilliant Idea, but we need the Center to cater for operational needs of the party while in the process of healing and uniting forces. SSS Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 10:36:44 +0200 To: <payco@googlegroups.com>; <linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za>; <ad...@pac.org.za>; <wgaj...@gmail.com>; <rammymfulw...@gmail.com>; <richardma...@yahoo.com>; <river.mla...@telkomsa.net>; <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>; <takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; 'Tumediso Modise'<tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; <tyamza...@yahoo.com>; <tnta...@webmail.co.za>; <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>; <i...@bataufc.com>; <lea...@hotmail.com>; <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>; <p...@vodamail.co.za>; 'Simphiwe Nofuma'<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; <pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; <pacmogalec...@gmail.com>; <pac.nc...@gmail.com>; <phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>; <s...@pac.org.za>; <smollzo...@gmail.com>; <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>; 'Sbusiso Xaba'<sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; <dud...@webmail.co.za>; <digashuma...@gmail.com>; <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>; <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>; 'Tumi Modise 2'<modisetumed...@gmail.com>; 'Sonia Masemola'<masemola...@gmail.com>; 'Pac Albert Mokoena'<mokoen...@workmail.co.za>; 'K Maunnatlala'<patric...@ncp.co.za>; 'Matome'<mselapi...@yahoo.co.za>; 'Katlego Lekgoathi'<katlegodor...@gmail.com>; <hote...@iburst.co.za>; <hoteli...@ibursp.co.za> ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Bosole Chidi'<bosolech...@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS M’Afrika Masoga Why can’t focus be directed towards organising inclusive Gauteng provincial meeting to consider ways and means to unite and rebuild PAC than national caucuses which ends up deepening internal party feuding and deepening factionalism? I strongly believe we should devote our energies to mobilise and organise all branches and members into an inclusive provincial meetings! The September Bloemfontein National Conference will become another waste of time in the same vein Birchwood August 2013 Conference is and will worsen the crisis facing the PAC! 2014 May national elections are a clear indicator that as PAC members and branches we cannot pretend that all is rosy within the PAC! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi From:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mphi...@gmail.com Sent: 04 September 2014 10:10 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; Simphiwe Nofuma; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; Tumi Modise 2; Sonia Masemola; Pac Albert Mokoena; K Maunnatlala; Matome; Katlego Lekgoathi; hote...@iburst.co.za; hoteli...@ibursp.co.za Cc: Bosole Chidi Subject: [PAYCO] INVITATION TO PAC NATIONAL CAUCUS - CONFERENCE/CONGRESS Revolutionary Greetings MaAfrika A Mahle An invitation is extended to a PAC National Caucus that already met on the 30/08/14 and will continue as follows: Date: 13/09/14 Time: 09:00 for 10:00 - 17:00 Venue : Tshwane : Boardroom 209 Ouraadsaal, opposite Standard Bank next to Church Square AGENDA National Conference/Congress The Caucus is not a Constitutional Structure of the PAC of Azania but is open to all PAC Members and Cadres. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device From: "'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress" <payco@googlegroups.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:41:17 -0700 To: mailto:payco@googlegroups.com%3cpa...@googlegroups.com>; mailto:linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za%3clinda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za>; mailto:ad...@pac.org.za%3cad...@pac.org.za>; mailto:wgaj...@gmail.com%3cwgaj...@gmail.com>; mailto:rammymfulw...@gmail.com%3crammymfulw...@gmail.com>; mailto:richardma...@yahoo.com%3crichardma...@yahoo.com>; mailto:river.mla...@telkomsa.net%3criver.mla...@telkomsa.net>; mailto:ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za%3cramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>; mailto:takalaniligeg...@gmail.com%3ctakalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; mailto:tumimod...@hotmail.co.za%3ctumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; mailto:tyamza...@yahoo.com%3ctyamza...@yahoo.com>; mailto:tnta...@webmail.co.za%3ctnta...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:isaa...@diplomat-global.com%3cisaa...@diplomat-global.com>; mailto:i...@bataufc.com%3ci...@bataufc.com>; mailto:lea...@hotmail.com%3clea...@hotmail.com>; mailto:phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com%3cphillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>; mailto:p...@vodamail.co.za%3cp...@vodamail.co.za>; mailto:paccapeme...@webmail.co.za%3cpaccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:pasmapresid...@gmail.com%3cpasmapresid...@gmail.com>; mailto:pactshwanereg...@gmail.com%3cpactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; mailto:pacmogalec...@gmail.com%3cpacmogalec...@gmail.com>; mailto:pac.nc...@gmail.com%3cpac.nc...@gmail.com>; mailto:phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za%3cphumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; mailto:pacaza...@webmail.co.za%3cpacaza...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:s...@pac.org.za%3...@pac.org.za>; mailto:smollzo...@gmail.com%3csmollzo...@gmail.com>; mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za%3csndam...@pac-cape.org.za>; mailto:sbusiso.x...@gmail.com%3csbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; mailto:dud...@webmail.co.za%3cdud...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:digashuma...@gmail.com%3cdigashuma...@gmail.com>; mailto:dmalo...@klerksdorp.org%3cdmalo...@klerksdorp.org>; mailto:goqwana.san...@gmail.com%3cgoqwana.san...@gmail.com>; mailto:hlubi.so...@gmail.com%3chlubi.so...@gmail.com>; mailto:joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com%3cjoseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; mailto:jntab...@gmail.com%3cjntab...@gmail.com>; mailto:kutie.thondl...@gmail.com%3ckutie.thondl...@gmail.com>; 'L Lekgwathi'<0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; mailto:lucasmmol...@gmail.com%3clucasmmol...@gmail.com>; mailto:znyam...@gmail.com%3cznyam...@gmail.com>; mailto:billiard.s...@gmail.com%3cbilliard.s...@gmail.com>; mailto:bulanng...@gmail.com%3cbulanng...@gmail.com>; mailto:bennet_j...@yahoo.com%3cbennet_j...@yahoo.com>; mailto:bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com%3cbulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>; mailto:ndhlo...@pac.org.za%3cndhlo...@pac.org.za>; 'Nakaphala Bauba'<nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; mailto:nnyq...@gmail.com%3cnnyq...@gmail.com>; mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za%3cm...@soultalk.co.za>; mailto:mapulankoan...@gmail.com%3cmapulankoan...@gmail.com>; mailto:mvakalijust...@gmail.com%3cmvakalijust...@gmail.com>; mailto:mbind...@gmail.com%3cmbind...@gmail.com>; mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com%3cmrfihl...@gmail.com>; mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za%3cmphah...@eskom.co.za>; mailto:malingeplaat...@yahoo.com%3cmalingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; mailto:mphothobej...@yahoo.com%3cmphothobej...@yahoo.com>; mailto:mokoen...@workmail.co.za%3cmokoen...@workmail.co.za>; mailto:moshemahlom...@gmail.com%3cmoshemahlom...@gmail.com>; mailto:monyanepin...@gmail.com%3cmonyanepin...@gmail.com>; mailto:mop...@pac.org.za%3cmop...@pac.org.za>; mailto:mnd...@yahoo.com%3cmnd...@yahoo.com>; mailto:po...@yahoo.com%3cpo...@yahoo.com>; mailto:celenjabulo...@gmail.com%3ccelenjabulo...@gmail.com>; mailto:njabulo.m...@gmail.com%3cnjabulo.m...@gmail.com>; mailto:vu...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net>; mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com> ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any given. The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing. For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak revolutionary theory to say the least. There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100 years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation, disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will remain the same. Izwe Lethu! On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe lethu M'Afrika Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves! Shango lashu Nkrumah ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za> Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM Subject: attack on party annual conference To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, < rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, < takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>, <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, < tyamza...@yahoo.com>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>, <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>, <i...@bataufc.com>, <lea...@hotmail.com>, <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>, < p...@vodamail.co.za>, "Cape" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, < pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>, < pacmogalec...@gmail.com>, <pac.nc...@gmail.com>, < phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>, <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>, "Narius Moloto" < s...@pac.org.za>, <smollzo...@gmail.com>, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>, < sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, <dud...@webmail.co.za>, <digashuma...@gmail.com>, "Delano Maloney" <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>, <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>, < hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>, <jntab...@gmail.com>, <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>, "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, < lucasmmol...@gmail.com>, <znyam...@gmail.com>, <billiard.s...@gmail.com>, < bulanng...@gmail.com>, <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>, "bulelanim1718" < bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>, <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>, < nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>, <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "Michael Muendane" < m...@soultalk.co.za>, <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>, <mvakalijust...@gmail.com>, <mbind...@gmail.com>, <mrfihl...@gmail.com>, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" < mphah...@eskom.co.za>, <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>, <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>, "Pinkie Monyane" < monyanepin...@gmail.com>, <mop...@pac.org.za>, <mnd...@yahoo.com>, < po...@yahoo.com>, <celenjabulo...@gmail.com> Cc: <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>, <vu...@telkomsa.net>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za> Izwe Lethu Please find the attached for your attention. Pass the message to other structure and members. Regards PAC of Azania Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11 Fax : 086 527 0380 Email : ad...@pac.org.za Website: http://www.pac.org.za/ *A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM* -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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