Izwe Lethu The honest truth is that in PAC everyone speaks a lot of things here in media while doing nothing at all for the community or masses of Azania. Personally I am of the view that only cowards are within the rank and file of the PAC and its component structures. I never see such a big organization moving entirely backwards while having a lot of intelligent comrades. Seemingly we will spend another 20 years revolving in courts struggles and character assassination programs. Let us say somebody recommends what needs to be done, Who is that body? Are we going to listen to that somebody? How long are we going to listen as PAC members? All what we spend time doing is to check who says what and we attack.
The main issue here is not the party objective but personal objectives that have clouded the PAC Program. Super views which could have fixed the PAC were long cast out and thrown out of the table and nothing is learned by us as members. Mphahlele is out but the problem is still there in the PAC, now recently Mphethi is out but there is still a problem. What I can conclude now is that maybe all of us need to be out of PAC to allow PAC to grow, who else must be out of PAC for PAC to get it right? *Regards,* *Thabani Zondo* *Tel : 072 020 5127* *smollzo...@gmail.com <smollzo...@gmail.com>* *HEAD OFFICE* *CENTENARY BUILDING* *CHURCH SQUARE* *PRETORIA* *0001* *TEL: 012 323 9892* *FAX: 086 617 7851* *PO BOX 5981* *PRETORIA* *0001* On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com > wrote: > M’Afrika > > > > I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier > given the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be > arrested late as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the > notion that PAC branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a > notion create an illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC > NEC has disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without > being questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC > we are facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA > and PAYCO! > > > > PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes > a quorum for it has split into three unequal and non-quorating parts! > According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has > been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By > Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde > Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally > suspended. So comrades in the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling > each other, while refusing to account to PAC branches and members at an > inclusive national conference. > > > > There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to > factional feuding and weakening of the PAC! > > > > This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive > national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and > organisational solution. > > > > Shango lashu > > > > Nkrumah > > *From:* payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] > *Sent:* 04 September 2014 12:42 PM > *To:* Kutie Thondlana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za > *Cc:* mrfihla08; payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; > ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; > richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; > ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; > tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; > isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; > phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; > pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; > pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; > pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; > sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; > dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; > joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; L Lekgwathi; > lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; > bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; > ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Nakaphala Bauba; nnyq...@gmail.com; > m...@soultalk.co.za; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; > mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; > mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; > moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; > mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; > njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com > > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference > > > > Cde Kutie > > > > It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members > for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest of the > people they serve out there. Let me assure you pretending there is no need > to have an elected NEC organising a conference and rather preferring an > individual to do so and who think he is everything can only be accepted by > you and others. Leaders who grew in this party and with long service should > have known by now that whatever they trying to in May 11 last will catch up > with them and those who thought they will benefit out of that fiasco they > can rest a little more is to be seen. > > > > > > On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:06 AM, Kutie Thondlana < > kutie.thondl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > MaAfrika, > > > > An *All Inclusive* *Consultative Conference* may just be our answer. We > need a platform to address all the concerns mentioned in circulating emails > and come up with a plan that will assist in rebuilding the PAC from then > on. I'm sure our enemies operating within the party to destroy PAC are > already celebrating success, let us not allow them that glory. We must > prevent PAC from being made the ruling party Project. PAC must never die! > > > > > > Izwe Lethu! > > Kutie > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:38 AM, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za> wrote: > > "All these years fighting each other but there is no solution . . . > what's wrong with us" - line in Lucky Dube's song > > The solution is you comrades. . . .lets get into our structures and bring > that change. It is expected that there will be those who will try to > maintain the current chaos by all means. Folding arms therefore won't help, > to complain either so only active engagement to pursue a collective > principle will put us in a better place as an organization. > > > > iAfrika > > > > iAfrika > > > > > > On 2014-09-04 10:14, mrfihla08 wrote: > > Ma Afrika Izwe Lethu > > > > I note that name calling and castigation of characters has become such a > profession in the PAC. What surprises me, is that the very individuals such > as Narius Moloto were paraded by some of us who are so vocal today against > him. Narius was appointed by Mphahlele as party builder and Mphahlele's > faction was fully behind him. He was subsequently elected at the Gcuwa > circus as Secretary General. Those who were part of the Gcuwa circus must > therefore take the blame for anything that they are opposing in Moloto > today. > > > > Now, At what point ma Afrika are we going to talk about what can unite us > instead of all this mud slinging and divisive language? We all know that > instead of campaigning during the past elections, we were busy promoting > our factional interests, taking each other to court, making statements in > the media that decampaigned the PAC, and some of us even failed to vote. > Today however we are so good at criticising instead of collectively > accepting blame. Some of us who are talking today were part of Mphahlele's > faction that created divisive parallel structures and expelled some of us > from the PAC. Please ma Afrika let us stop with this childish and > reactionary behavior that does not take us anywhere. All we need now is > genuine solutions to the PAC problems. Factional statements and campaigns > will not take us anywhere. For now, Moloto remains secretary general of the > PAC, all the noises we can make against him will not help. The reality also > here is that some of us are not genuine, we are not fighting Moloto because > we have the interests of the PAC at heart. We are fighting Moloto because > we are pushing factional interests. My proposal is that let us identify > those aspects that can help us to unite the PAC instead of engaging in > useless muddling. > > > > Fihla > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mbuyiselo Kantso > Date:04/09/2014 08:41 (GMT+02:00) > > To: payco@googlegroups.com, linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za, > ad...@pac.org.za, wgaj...@gmail.com, rammymfulw...@gmail.com, > richardma...@yahoo.com, river.mla...@telkomsa.net, > ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za, takalaniligeg...@gmail.com, > tumimod...@hotmail.co.za, tyamza...@yahoo.com, tnta...@webmail.co.za, > isaa...@diplomat-global.com, i...@bataufc.com, lea...@hotmail.com, > phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com, p...@vodamail.co.za, paccapeme...@webmail.co.za, > pasmapresid...@gmail.com, pactshwanereg...@gmail.com, > pacmogalec...@gmail.com, pac.nc...@gmail.com, phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za, > pacaza...@webmail.co.za, s...@pac.org.za, smollzo...@gmail.com, > sndam...@pac-cape.org.za, sbusiso.x...@gmail.com, dud...@webmail.co.za, > digashuma...@gmail.com, dmalo...@klerksdorp.org, goqwana.san...@gmail.com, > hlubi.so...@gmail.com, joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com, jntab...@gmail.com, > kutie.thondl...@gmail.com, 'L Lekgwathi' , lucasmmol...@gmail.com, > znyam...@gmail.com, billiard.s...@gmail.com, bulanng...@gmail.com, > bennet_j...@yahoo.com, bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com, ndhlo...@pac.org.za, > 'Nakaphala Bauba' , nnyq...@gmail.com, m...@soultalk.co.za, > mapulankoan...@gmail.com, mvakalijust...@gmail.com, mbind...@gmail.com, > mrfihl...@gmail.com, mphah...@eskom.co.za, malingeplaat...@yahoo.com, > mphothobej...@yahoo.com, mokoen...@workmail.co.za, > moshemahlom...@gmail.com, monyanepin...@gmail.com, mop...@pac.org.za, > mnd...@yahoo.com, po...@yahoo.com, celenjabulo...@gmail.com, > njabulo.m...@gmail.com, vu...@telkomsa.net, dumisani...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference > > Morning Cde. Raymond > > > > I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an > individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all > others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office > bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly > pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you > maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any > given. > > > > The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern > and the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader > must be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks > and balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness > attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and > ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood > Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in > discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing. > > > > For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of > time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is > since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its > silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG > because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and > suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough > luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like > claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has > developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak > revolutionary theory to say the least. > > > > There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and > that is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be > serious about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its > inception it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected > office President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to > build a revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC > but al what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC > to simply see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for > the next 100 years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap > manipulation, disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at > all levels of party operations. In short it does not matter how right he > says things will remain the same. > > > > Izwe Lethu! > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi < > nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Izwe lethu M'Afrika > > Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you > raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from > complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. > > Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves! > > Shango lashu > Nkrumah > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za> > Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM > Subject: attack on party annual conference > To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, < > rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, < > river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, < > takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>, <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, < > tyamza...@yahoo.com>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>, < > isaa...@diplomat-global.com>, <i...@bataufc.com>, <lea...@hotmail.com>, < > phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>, < p...@vodamail.co.za>, "Cape" < > paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, < pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, < > pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>, < pacmogalec...@gmail.com>, < > pac.nc...@gmail.com>, < phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>, < > pacaza...@webmail.co.za>, "Narius Moloto" < s...@pac.org.za>, < > smollzo...@gmail.com>, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>, < > sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, <dud...@webmail.co.za>, <digashuma...@gmail.com>, > "Delano Maloney" <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>, <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>, < > hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>, <jntab...@gmail.com>, > <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>, "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, < > lucasmmol...@gmail.com>, <znyam...@gmail.com>, <billiard.s...@gmail.com>, > < bulanng...@gmail.com>, <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>, "bulelanim1718" < > bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>, <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>, < > nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>, <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "Michael Muendane" < > m...@soultalk.co.za>, <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>, < > mvakalijust...@gmail.com>, <mbind...@gmail.com>, <mrfihl...@gmail.com>, > "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" < mphah...@eskom.co.za>, < > malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>, < > mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>, "Pinkie Monyane" < > monyanepin...@gmail.com>, <mop...@pac.org.za>, <mnd...@yahoo.com>, < > po...@yahoo.com>, <celenjabulo...@gmail.com> > Cc: <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>, <vu...@telkomsa.net>, < > river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za> > > Izwe Lethu > > > > Please find the attached for your attention. > > Pass the message to other structure and members. > > > > Regards > > PAC of Azania > > Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11 > > Fax : 086 527 0380 > > Email : ad...@pac.org.za > > Website: http://www.pac.org.za/ > > > > *A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM* > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > -- > Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. 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