Comrade Masoga
Do not personalise the issues raised by attack me in person address issues raised directly. If there is justification to attend Bloemfontein September National Conference constructively share with us and persuade to attend! We have presented a political case that drawing from Birchwood and other events that instead of unity of PAC, we have seen Birchwood 2013 Conference deepening divisions and the high rate of disintegration of PAC! Hence, any parallel structure organising parallel events solidifies internal party feuding, factionalism therefore disintegration of the PAC. First aspect I am a paid up PAC member belonging to a branch; Secondly aspect, This is an open campaign against events which aims to further divisions and the disintegration of the PAC, like Birchwood 2013 Conference; Thirdly aspect, we must seek to re-mobilise all PAC members and branches under one roof, if former PAC comrades who formed PAM agree to return to PAC and form part of the process to rebuild and re-organise PAC, why should they be excluded? Fourth aspect, the Boycott the Bloemfontein Conference aims at defeating factionalism and mobilise PAC branches and members to an inclusive unifying national conference of PAC; Fifth aspect, I have not condemn any comrades who advocates any differing view, if there is please specify his/her name! Sixth aspect, We encourage and mobilise PAC branches and members to start unification process by organising inclusive regional and provincial meetings to defeat factionalism and disunity! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of mphi...@gmail.com Sent: 11 September 2014 11:12 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' Cc: 'Ndade Mxunya'; 'Kutie Thondlana'; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; 'mrfihla08'; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; 'Admin @ Pac'; wgaj...@gmail.com; 'eddie mfulwane'; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; 'Tumediso Modise'; 'Xola Tyamzashe'; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; Simphiwe Nofuma; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; 'Phumzile Nomnga'; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; generalsecret...@sacwu.org.za Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Good Morning M'Afrika Mashilo Clearly you have made your decision to Boycott the conference so you are within your Rights to do so as much as you are entitled to your opinion. Please let's respect decision of those who are prepared to make efforts to re - build the PAC. We all agree that the PAC must Unite and come with a programme that will change the Status Quo and challenge the System on Pan Africanist perspective. I am not sure if your Branch or you as an individual is in good standing or is the one that you refer to when you make a mention of Unity of those who left PAC and those of PAM which you seem passionate about. PAM is a registered Political Party and is a Legal Persona and should not be a determining Factor when we are suppose to hold a Conference to redirect the PAC, as we move and on, we will differ on methods of how to take the PAC forward. Those who left PAC did so Voluntarily and I know a few that are back in the PAC and are active. Comrade Ray I am personally not pleased with your BOYCOTT CONFERENCE Campaign, it is growing tension and promote dis unity. You are contradicting yourself by condemning those who differ with you, failing to convince them does not necessarily mean you have to use knuckle dusters "Boycott Conference". We are continuing Son of Soil with or without those who differ with us. Caucus 13/09/14 then Conference in Bloemfontein 27-28/09/14. IAfrika Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device _____ From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:25:52 +0200 To: 'Mbuyiselo Kantso'<mbuyigan...@yahoo.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com> ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: 'Ndade Mxunya'<mnd...@yahoo.com>; 'Kutie Thondlana'<kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>; <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>; 'mrfihla08'<mrfihl...@gmail.com>; <linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za>; 'Admin @ Pac'<ad...@pac.org.za>; <wgaj...@gmail.com>; 'eddie mfulwane'<rammymfulw...@gmail.com>; <richardma...@yahoo.com>; <river.mla...@telkomsa.net>; <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>; <takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; 'Xola Tyamzashe'<tyamza...@yahoo.com>; <tnta...@webmail.co.za>; <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>; <i...@bataufc.com>; <lea...@hotmail.com>; <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>; <p...@vodamail.co.za>; <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; <pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; <pacmogalec...@gmail.com>; <pac.nc...@gmail.com>; 'Phumzile Nomnga'<phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>; <s...@pac.org.za>; 'Sbusiso Xaba'<sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; <dud...@webmail.co.za>; <digashuma...@gmail.com>; <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>; <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>; <hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; <jntab...@gmail.com>; 'L Lekgwathi'<0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; <lucasmmol...@gmail.com>; <znyam...@gmail.com>; <billiard.s...@gmail.com>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>; <bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>; <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>; 'Nakaphala Bauba'<nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; <nnyq...@gmail.com>; <m...@soultalk.co.za>; <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>; 'justice mvakali'<mvakalijust...@gmail.com>; <mbind...@gmail.com>; <mphah...@eskom.co.za>; <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>; <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>; <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>; <monyanepin...@gmail.com>; <mop...@pac.org.za>; <po...@yahoo.com>; <celenjabulo...@gmail.com>; <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>; <vu...@telkomsa.net>; <dumisani...@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Shango lashu M’Afrika PAC branches and members should not harbour any illusions, Birchwood 2013 National Conference organised by the same NEC comrades organising the Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference, has dismally failed to unite PAC and place all PAC branches and members on a unity-and-revolutionary path. Birchwood 2013 National Conference has deepened divisions and sowed conflict among PAC members and branches in a manner never seen in the history of the PAC, Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference will continue to consolidate a highly divided PAC with an untenable organisational state. Boycott and denounce Bloemfontein 2014 National Conference! Boycott! Unite and Defeat factionalism PAC branches and members! Unite! Forward to an Inclusive and Uniting PAC Conference! Forward Borrowing the comments made by former Chairman John Nyathi Pokela for all of us PAC Branches and members to reflect and ponder from Cde Muendane and Cde Ndima, PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders of this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we go to a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more divided. To defeat factionalism and divisions, It is my strongest believe that PAC branches and members must achieve principled unity. And those former PAC members who left PAC to form PAM must return to the PAC, those PAC members who were suspended should also return to the PAC; We must jointly and equally wage the struggle to reclaim-and –to- place PAC on a revolutionary socialist path on a Pan African Scope to overthrow capitalism and white supremacy. Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 074 922 6361 From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 10 September 2014 03:28 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: Ndade Mxunya; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi; Kutie Thondlana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; mrfihla08; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; Admin @ Pac; wgaj...@gmail.com; eddie mfulwane; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; Xola Tyamzashe; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; Phumzile Nomnga; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; Sbusiso Xaba; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; L Lekgwathi; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Nakaphala Bauba; nnyq...@gmail.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; justice mvakali; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde. Ndima You are spot except that you need to mention that Cde. Ndade and others had a task team which was working with the head office to prepare the regional. They handed their audited report the late Cde Wandi and Joko indicating the status of the branches. The people who actually presided over that conference were Cde, Bennet Joko, Wandi and Tebogo Rakoma. They lost in a congress organised by them(Ndade and Company), Moloto, Joko and Wandi after Cdes Abel, Busang and Apa warned the SG that in the Vaal is as easy he may think. Since that time Cde. Narius in particular never liked us and hence after he instructed us that we should go on a joint commemoration for Sharpeville Day it surprisingly became our thing. It was after that incident that I gave up on him and at least I told him. I was never in my life felt so betrayed by a leader at the level of an SG. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:36 PM, Tongogara Ndima <ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote: Comrade Ndade Your gripe is about councillor's seat hence you formed a parallel REC hoping to topple the other REC and find a way to become a councillor! We know, and ou have raised this several times in Sharpeville that Narius Moloto has being lobbying you and making offers. If Sedibeng Region had more councillor's seats, there would'not be parallel RECs in Vaal as it is the case today. Cde Ndade, for once be honest with us, you lost the regional leadership contest in a constitutional congress officiated by Cde Moloto and Cde Joko. But for group - factional interest you exploited divisions within the NEC, namely the Letlapa-Moloto conflcit by siding with Cde Moloto to find justification to form your REC which supports Moloto NEC grouping. The Anti-Mpethi Decree is just a smoke screen! Vaal regions used to be better organised and strong, not its weak and divided! Comrades, want money and positions-prestige, zi-politicki se parliament privileges! Izwe lethu Ndima On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:20 PM, 'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress <payco@googlegroups.com> wrote: Cde. Ndade Before I go anywhere with your points let me make you aware of one thing that this subject does not involve you as Ndade as Sedibeng Regional Chairperson as you identified yourself so. I am talking of what happened on the court and what is recorded in the IEC whether it satisfy you or not. So for you maybe because to be called Sedibeng Regional Chairperson is something special to your heart which I wont contest because it does not fit into the debates here rest assure your tittle is secured. Just park the debate around Kantso for another day and you can raise it at Sedibeng and hope you will find joy there. Back to comrade Masoga. I think cde Masoga if you want to organise a proper caucus just have decency to speak to comrades and invite them properly and surely they will engage you with respect and explain yourself of what you hope to achieve. Then from there you can rightly point fingers to people who may sound discrediting your initiatives. On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:25 PM, Ndade Mxunya <mnd...@yahoo.com> wrote: Sons and Daughters of the soil Very interesting arguments: regarding PAC conference of September or December 2014 and the state of the PAC in general. attacking each others opinions or views MaAfrika it is very interesting to read. but first let us ask ourselves who is PAC? it is Mr Mphahlele, Mr Mphethi, Mr Moloto or NEC. why this question because most of you the arguments you alluded to, you defended a person than the organization or justifying wrongs done by the individuals instant of talking about the constitution of the PAC because all answers to the problem are there. 1, some of you the likes of Mr Kantso wanted us to accept that degree is the correct clause in the constitution, moreover we said Mr Mphahlele run and manage the party for 3 years under degree and the party did not make any impact to S.A politics its administration were dead no membership cards issued to new and old members. it is safe to say we were just PAC by name no political activism among members let alone community participation, no establishment of branches which even today we still have that challenge as the party. I agree with you all we all LOVE PAC and we all want to defend PAC THE QUESTION IS from who to its members or foreign intelligent agencies or infiltration made by internal political parties in the country or those who just want to benefit/milk the PAC from its little resource that the party get from either National Parliament or Councillorship from metros or local government sits. MaAfrika are we defending this party from who? and may anyone tell me how are we going to see if somebody his/her actions is to implement what i mentioned above. i AGREE with Cde Smallzondo, Raymond, Kutie and Cde Fihla if all we love this party let us meet under one roof, and start mentioning people by names also shame their actions if those actions violate the PAC constitution. to me some of you just makes arguments that have no solution or way forward to solve this problems, note we belong to branches we are PAC we pay our subscriptions trying to launch branches under difficult conditions, mobilized people to join PAC which we are asked by the masses what are we doing as PAC u just fight among yo selves for one sit in the National parliament. so gentleman some of you think that somebody is paying for our membership but let me tell you we are trying to build this party to do things for our selves, which some of the people who makes arguments in this network don't even have branches but they wanted to be listen to. Mr Mphethi said he wont role this party by degree unfortunately today he is telling as the party is under degree we want to take him to task whether he saying December disrespecting other NEC members we are saying he must not be a coward he must come and account to the PAC in Bloemfontein. whether you are anti Moloto, Mphethi, or Letlapa let branches decide whom they want to lead this party. for us at times makes arguments without considering majority role or democracy within the party it does not help but we are coursing cabals that are unnecessary. Cde Kantso claiming that he is representing PAC in the IEC i don't remember this Cdes elected in the NEC and I don't remember this Cde lead the Sedibeng region. We also challenge him if he can we said to him don't claim to be Chairperson of the Sedibeng region let us call all PAC members who renew their membership and subscribed to come to one meeting and elect the legitimate region we are not fighting for position we are better than that, to date he did not commit him self to such gathering. and the invitation still stand. Izwe Lethu Peace among the people Ndade Mxunya Chairperson Sedibeng Region On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:35 PM, Mbuyiselo Kantso <mbuyigan...@yahoo.com> wrote: Dear Smal Zondo The main problem here is that you clowns running the party and hope you will get the PAC progressive. You say Mphahlele is out and I think you suggest the SG is this messiah of whom I am told he is supporting you financially and hence you don't suggest he is not out. Unfortunately a lot of us were never raised in an environment where seeking favours from the powers might is the order of the day. Just read the correspondences written by your SG and you have an answer under your nose and stop behaving like those opportunists who think this story around September conference will leverage them to assume leadership whom I can undoubtly see is for personal gratification. Lastly if you have observed the last elections circus you will know that even parties contesting regional elections don't display such a joke. Before you say anything around what you have raised you better know there is no dignity in people used as pawns in a just cause. Izwe Lethu On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:16 AM, Smoll Zondo <smollzo...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe Lethu The honest truth is that in PAC everyone speaks a lot of things here in media while doing nothing at all for the community or masses of Azania. Personally I am of the view that only cowards are within the rank and file of the PAC and its component structures. I never see such a big organization moving entirely backwards while having a lot of intelligent comrades. Seemingly we will spend another 20 years revolving in courts struggles and character assassination programs. Let us say somebody recommends what needs to be done, Who is that body? Are we going to listen to that somebody? How long are we going to listen as PAC members? All what we spend time doing is to check who says what and we attack. The main issue here is not the party objective but personal objectives that have clouded the PAC Program. Super views which could have fixed the PAC were long cast out and thrown out of the table and nothing is learned by us as members. Mphahlele is out but the problem is still there in the PAC, now recently Mphethi is out but there is still a problem. What I can conclude now is that maybe all of us need to be out of PAC to allow PAC to grow, who else must be out of PAC for PAC to get it right? Regards, Thabani Zondo Tel : 072 020 5127 smollzo...@gmail.com HEAD OFFICE CENTENARY BUILDING CHURCH SQUARE PRETORIA 0001 TEL: 012 323 9892 FAX: 086 617 7851 PO BOX 5981 PRETORIA 0001 <https://sites.google.com/site/zdfbawu/_/rsrc/1407488617192/config/customLogo.gif?revision=14> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: M’Afrika I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without being questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO! PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a quorum for it has split into three unequal and non-quorating parts! According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally suspended. So comrades in the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling each other, while refusing to account to PAC branches and members at an inclusive national conference. There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to factional feuding and weakening of the PAC! This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and organisational solution. Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] Sent: 04 September 2014 12:42 PM To: Kutie Thondlana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: mrfihla08; payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; L Lekgwathi; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Nakaphala Bauba; nnyq...@gmail.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Cde Kutie It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest of the people they serve out there. Let me assure you pretending there is no need to have an elected NEC organising a conference and rather preferring an individual to do so and who think he is everything can only be accepted by you and others. Leaders who grew in this party and with long service should have known by now that whatever they trying to in May 11 last will catch up with them and those who thought they will benefit out of that fiasco they can rest a little more is to be seen. On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:06 AM, Kutie Thondlana <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com> wrote: MaAfrika, An All Inclusive Consultative Conference may just be our answer. We need a platform to address all the concerns mentioned in circulating emails and come up with a plan that will assist in rebuilding the PAC from then on. I'm sure our enemies operating within the party to destroy PAC are already celebrating success, let us not allow them that glory. We must prevent PAC from being made the ruling party Project. PAC must never die! Izwe Lethu! Kutie On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:38 AM, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za> wrote: "All these years fighting each other but there is no solution . . . what's wrong with us" - line in Lucky Dube's song The solution is you comrades. . . .lets get into our structures and bring that change. It is expected that there will be those who will try to maintain the current chaos by all means. Folding arms therefore won't help, to complain either so only active engagement to pursue a collective principle will put us in a better place as an organization. iAfrika iAfrika On 2014-09-04 10:14, mrfihla08 wrote: Ma Afrika Izwe Lethu I note that name calling and castigation of characters has become such a profession in the PAC. What surprises me, is that the very individuals such as Narius Moloto were paraded by some of us who are so vocal today against him. Narius was appointed by Mphahlele as party builder and Mphahlele's faction was fully behind him. He was subsequently elected at the Gcuwa circus as Secretary General. Those who were part of the Gcuwa circus must therefore take the blame for anything that they are opposing in Moloto today. Now, At what point ma Afrika are we going to talk about what can unite us instead of all this mud slinging and divisive language? We all know that instead of campaigning during the past elections, we were busy promoting our factional interests, taking each other to court, making statements in the media that decampaigned the PAC, and some of us even failed to vote. Today however we are so good at criticising instead of collectively accepting blame. Some of us who are talking today were part of Mphahlele's faction that created divisive parallel structures and expelled some of us from the PAC. Please ma Afrika let us stop with this childish and reactionary behavior that does not take us anywhere. All we need now is genuine solutions to the PAC problems. Factional statements and campaigns will not take us anywhere. For now, Moloto remains secretary general of the PAC, all the noises we can make against him will not help. The reality also here is that some of us are not genuine, we are not fighting Moloto because we have the interests of the PAC at heart. We are fighting Moloto because we are pushing factional interests. My proposal is that let us identify those aspects that can help us to unite the PAC instead of engaging in useless muddling. Fihla Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Mbuyiselo Kantso Date:04/09/2014 08:41 (GMT+02:00) To: payco@googlegroups.com, linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za, ad...@pac.org.za, wgaj...@gmail.com, rammymfulw...@gmail.com, richardma...@yahoo.com, river.mla...@telkomsa.net, ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za, takalaniligeg...@gmail.com, tumimod...@hotmail.co.za, tyamza...@yahoo.com, tnta...@webmail.co.za, isaa...@diplomat-global.com, i...@bataufc.com, lea...@hotmail.com, phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com, p...@vodamail.co.za, paccapeme...@webmail.co.za, pasmapresid...@gmail.com, pactshwanereg...@gmail.com, pacmogalec...@gmail.com, pac.nc...@gmail.com, phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za, pacaza...@webmail.co.za, s...@pac.org.za, smollzo...@gmail.com, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za, sbusiso.x...@gmail.com, dud...@webmail.co.za, digashuma...@gmail.com, dmalo...@klerksdorp.org, goqwana.san...@gmail.com, hlubi.so...@gmail.com, joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com, jntab...@gmail.com, kutie.thondl...@gmail.com, 'L Lekgwathi' , lucasmmol...@gmail.com, znyam...@gmail.com, billiard.s...@gmail.com, bulanng...@gmail.com, bennet_j...@yahoo.com, bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com, ndhlo...@pac.org.za, 'Nakaphala Bauba' , nnyq...@gmail.com, m...@soultalk.co.za, mapulankoan...@gmail.com, mvakalijust...@gmail.com, mbind...@gmail.com, mrfihl...@gmail.com, mphah...@eskom.co.za, malingeplaat...@yahoo.com, mphothobej...@yahoo.com, mokoen...@workmail.co.za, moshemahlom...@gmail.com, monyanepin...@gmail.com, mop...@pac.org.za, mnd...@yahoo.com, po...@yahoo.com, celenjabulo...@gmail.com, njabulo.m...@gmail.com, vu...@telkomsa.net, dumisani...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any given. The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing. For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak revolutionary theory to say the least. There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100 years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation, disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will remain the same. Izwe Lethu! On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe lethu M'Afrika Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves! Shango lashu Nkrumah ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za> Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM Subject: attack on party annual conference To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, < rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, < takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>, <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, < tyamza...@yahoo.com>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>, <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>, <i...@bataufc.com>, <lea...@hotmail.com>, <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>, < p...@vodamail.co.za>, "Cape" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, < pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>, < pacmogalec...@gmail.com>, <pac.nc...@gmail.com>, < phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>, <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>, "Narius Moloto" < s...@pac.org.za>, <smollzo...@gmail.com>, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>, < sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, <dud...@webmail.co.za>, <digashuma...@gmail.com>, "Delano Maloney" <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>, <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>, < hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>, <jntab...@gmail.com>, <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>, "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, < lucasmmol...@gmail.com>, <znyam...@gmail.com>, <billiard.s...@gmail.com>, < bulanng...@gmail.com>, <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>, "bulelanim1718" < bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>, <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>, < nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>, <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "Michael Muendane" < m...@soultalk.co.za>, <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>, <mvakalijust...@gmail.com>, <mbind...@gmail.com>, <mrfihl...@gmail.com>, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" < mphah...@eskom.co.za>, <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>, <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>, "Pinkie Monyane" < monyanepin...@gmail.com>, <mop...@pac.org.za>, <mnd...@yahoo.com>, < po...@yahoo.com>, <celenjabulo...@gmail.com> Cc: <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>, <vu...@telkomsa.net>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za> Izwe Lethu Please find the attached for your attention. 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