Comrades, Can we elavate the level of discourse to focus on broader party building issues as opposed to narrow individual interests, personalities and factional positions.
To a certain extent you reach a point of embarrassment when you follow the line of debate. Its even worse when its done by seasoned party cadres whom we have utmost respect and expect nothing other than guidance and decisive leadership. I humbly request cadres. Izwe lethu! Linda Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: "'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress" <payco@googlegroups.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 22:59:52 To: <mbuyigan...@yahoo.com>; <mnd...@yahoo.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Cc: <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>; <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>; <mrfihl...@gmail.com>; <linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za>; <ad...@pac.org.za>; <wgaj...@gmail.com>; <rammymfulw...@gmail.com>; <richardma...@yahoo.com>; <river.mla...@telkomsa.net>; <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>; <takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; <tyamza...@yahoo.com>; <tnta...@webmail.co.za>; <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>; <i...@bataufc.com>; <lea...@hotmail.com>; <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>; <p...@vodamail.co.za>; <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; <pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; <pacmogalec...@gmail.com>; <pac.nc...@gmail.com>; <phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>; <s...@pac.org.za>; <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; <dud...@webmail.co.za>; <digashuma...@gmail.com>; <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>; <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>; <hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; <jntab...@gmail.com>; <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; <lucasmmol...@gmail.com>; <znyam...@gmail.com>; <billiard.s...@gmail.com>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>; <bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>; <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>; <nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; <nnyq...@gmail.com>; <m...@soultalk.co.za>; <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>; <mvakalijust...@gmail.com>; <mbind...@gmail.com>; <mphah...@eskom.co.za>; <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>; <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>; <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>; <monyanepin...@gmail.com>; <mop...@pac.org.za>; <po...@yahoo.com>; <celenjabulo...@gmail.com>; <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>; <vu...@telkomsa.net>; <dumisani...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Greetings Cdes We have to accept and realise from all our points of conviction that the same area of convergence will be our first victory. Speculations and insecurities about the intentions of one or the other are probably our biggest obstacle. Open palm salute! -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/9/14, Nkrumah Raymond KGAGUDI <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference To: mbuyigan...@yahoo.com, mnd...@yahoo.com, payco@googlegroups.com Cc: kutie.thondl...@gmail.com, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za, mrfihl...@gmail.com, linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za, ad...@pac.org.za, wgaj...@gmail.com, rammymfulw...@gmail.com, richardma...@yahoo.com, river.mla...@telkomsa.net, ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za, takalaniligeg...@gmail.com, tumimod...@hotmail.co.za, tyamza...@yahoo.com, tnta...@webmail.co.za, isaa...@diplomat-global.com, i...@bataufc.com, lea...@hotmail.com, phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com, p...@vodamail.co.za, paccapeme...@webmail.co.za, pasmapresid...@gmail.com, pactshwanereg...@gmail.com, pacmogalec...@gmail.com, pac.nc...@gmail.com, phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za, pacaza...@webmail.co.za, s...@pac.org.za, sbusiso.x...@gmail.com, dud...@webmail.co.za, digashuma...@gmail.com, dmalo...@klerksdorp.org, goqwana.san...@gmail.com, hlubi.so...@gmail.com, joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com, jntab...@gmail.com, 0825164...@vodamail.co.za, lucasmmol...@gmail.com, znyam...@gmail.com, billiard.s...@gmail.com, bulanng...@gmail.com, bennet_j...@yahoo.com, bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com, ndhlo...@pac.org.za, nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com, nnyq...@gmail.com, m...@soultalk.co.za, mapulankoan...@gmail.com, mvakalijust...@gmail.com, mbind...@gmail.com, mphah...@eskom.co.za, malingeplaat...@yahoo.com, mphothobej...@yahoo.com, mokoen...@workmail.co.za, moshemahlom...@gmail.com, monyanepin...@gmail.com, mop...@pac.org.za, po...@yahoo.com, celenjabulo...@gmail.com, njabulo.m...@gmail.com, vu...@telkomsa.net, dumisani...@gmail.com Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2014, 6:34 PM Izwe lethu Once more, this debate further confirms that the September National Conference will not resolve the deepened level of feuding within the PAC, it will however worsen the situation and things cam be irreversible or untenable. For long in the PAC, PAC members and branches have being victims of two tongued characters! For example, PAC branches and members across all regions are highly divided and some are hiding their subjective interests using, statements such as this NEC member or that NEC has failed and did this or that! I strongly believe that in as much as Cde Letlapa, Cde Mpethi and Cde Moloto, might have made serious political blunders/errors, they cannot be made to be 100% liable for the entire divisions and feuding thus factionalism in the PAC. Another example, there is a PAC PEC Member in Mpumalanga organising non-members to complete forms and increase numbers for the September National Conference, are we going to blame the put this corrupt activities on either Moloto NEC Grouping for this while exanorating and calling the very same Mpumalanga PEC member a comrade. There are many examples, we can use to show that deeply, the PAC branches and members particularly comrades who are at the forefront of everything to be directly responsible and are hypocrites. We have imprisoned former APLA combatants, no action is taken to demand the release of Incarcerated APLA combatants. Surely comrades, neither Cde Letlapa nor Cde Mpethi nor Cde Moloto is stopping your branches and members to picket and organise mass protests demanding the immediate release of all the unprisoned APLA conrades. None of the two existing APLAMVA NECs have been seen in action demanding tye release of these comrades, but today APLAMVA NEC comrades have a moral ground to point finger and identify failers of the PAC NEC Members. I find the extent of most comrades as being hypocrits, as shocking and also this explains the deep seated problems we are facing in the PAC. All PECs and RECs including all component structures are docile, dormant and moribound, relatively excluding PASMA with a serious qualification! There are and has been so many caucases ever since 2007/8 to date, but every caucuse have yielded no tangible results but the situation has worsened because the current crop of some PAC members and those with leadeship ambitions are highly unprincipled and determined to break any law just to secure positions be they at the REC, PEC and NEC. PAC Branches and members have abondaned principles and the correct political line as enshrined in the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto including all Basic Documents. A lot in the party is from branch level to members to national leadership is totally wrong and rotten! Gone are the principles in the PAC, as others argue to justify their conduct they claim that "people do eat principles". First task should be PAC branches and members should resolve their differences at a regional level first and unite! Then provincial inclusive meetings should be organised to consolidate the unity achieved at regional level! Internal feuding is driven mainly by some members misleading some branches if branches and members can converge and unite, then it follows the NEC become subjected to a full accountability and direction from a united party membership through a constitutional conference and congress. Lets start a party reunification programmes from branch to regional level as first phase! Then second phase being provincial, then we finalise by an inclusive national conference! Shango lashu Nkrumah Sent from Samsung tablet Mbuyiselo Kantso <mbuyigan...@yahoo.com> wrote: >Cde. Ndade > >Before I go anywhere with your points let me make you aware of one thing that this subject does not involve you as Ndade as Sedibeng Regional Chairperson as you identified yourself so. I am talking of what happened on the court and what is recorded in the IEC whether it satisfy you or not. So for you maybe because to be called Sedibeng Regional Chairperson is something special to your heart which I wont contest because it does not fit into the debates here rest assure your tittle is secured. > >Just park the debate around Kantso for another day and you can raise it at Sedibeng and hope you will find joy there. Back to comrade Masoga. I think cde Masoga if you want to organise a proper caucus just have decency to speak to comrades and invite them properly and surely they will engage you with respect and explain yourself of what you hope to achieve. Then from there you can rightly point fingers to people who may sound discrediting your initiatives. > > >On Tuesday, September 9, 2014 1:25 PM, Ndade Mxunya <mnd...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >Sons and Daughters of the soil > >Very interesting arguments: regarding PAC conference of September or December 2014 and the state of the PAC in general. attacking each others opinions or views MaAfrika it is very interesting to read. but first let us ask ourselves who is PAC? it is Mr Mphahlele, Mr Mphethi, Mr Moloto or NEC. why this question because most of you the arguments you alluded to, you defended a person than the organization or justifying wrongs done by the individuals instant of talking about the constitution of the PAC because all answers to the problem are there. 1, some of you the likes of Mr Kantso wanted us to accept that degree is the correct clause in the constitution, moreover we said Mr Mphahlele run and manage the party for 3 years under degree and the party did not make any impact to S.A politics its administration were dead no membership cards issued to new and old members. it is safe to say we were just PAC by name no political activism among members let alone > community participation, no establishment of branches which even today we still have that challenge as the party. I agree with you all we all LOVE PAC and we all want to defend PAC THE QUESTION IS from who to its members or foreign intelligent agencies or infiltration made by internal political parties in the country or those who just want to benefit/milk the PAC from its little resource that the party get from either National Parliament or Councillorship from metros or local government sits. MaAfrika are we defending this party from who? and may anyone tell me how are we going to see if somebody his/her actions is to implement what i mentioned above. i AGREE with Cde Smallzondo, Raymond, Kutie and Cde Fihla if all we love this party let us meet under one roof, and start mentioning people by names also shame their actions if those actions violate the PAC constitution. to me some of you just makes arguments that have no solution or way forward to solve > this problems, note we belong to branches we are PAC we pay our subscriptions trying to launch branches under difficult conditions, mobilized people to join PAC which we are asked by the masses what are we doing as PAC u just fight among yo selves for one sit in the National parliament. so gentleman some of you think that somebody is paying for our membership but let me tell you we are trying to build this party to do things for our selves, which some of the people who makes arguments in this network don't even have branches but they wanted to be listen to. Mr Mphethi said he wont role this party by degree unfortunately today he is telling as the party is under degree we want to take him to task whether he saying December disrespecting other NEC members we are saying he must not be a coward he must come and account to the PAC in Bloemfontein. whether you are anti Moloto, Mphethi, or Letlapa let branches decide whom they want to lead this party. for us > at times makes arguments without considering majority role or democracy within the party it does not help but we are coursing cabals that are unnecessary. Cde Kantso claiming that he is representing PAC in the IEC i don't remember this Cdes elected in the NEC and I don't remember this Cde lead the Sedibeng region. We also challenge him if he can we said to him don't claim to be Chairperson of the Sedibeng region let us call all PAC members who renew their membership and subscribed to come to one meeting and elect the legitimate region we are not fighting for position we are better than that, to date he did not commit him self to such gathering. and the invitation still stand. Izwe Lethu Peace among the people > > >Ndade Mxunya Chairperson Sedibeng Region > > > >On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:35 PM, Mbuyiselo Kantso <mbuyigan...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >Dear Smal Zondo > >The main problem here is that you clowns running the party and hope you will get the PAC progressive. You say Mphahlele is out and I think you suggest the SG is this messiah of whom I am told he is supporting you financially and hence you don't suggest he is not out. Unfortunately a lot of us were never raised in an environment where seeking favours from the powers might is the order of the day. > >Just read the correspondences written by your SG and you have an answer under your nose and stop behaving like those opportunists who think this story around September conference will leverage them to assume leadership whom I can undoubtly see is for personal gratification. Lastly if you have observed the last elections circus you will know that even parties contesting regional elections don't display such a joke. Before you say anything around what you have raised you better know there is no dignity in people used as pawns in a just cause. > >Izwe Lethu > > >On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:16 AM, Smoll Zondo <smollzo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >Izwe Lethu > >The honest truth is that in PAC everyone speaks a lot of things here in media while doing nothing at all for the community or masses of Azania. Personally I am of the view that only cowards are within the rank and file of the PAC and its component structures. I never see such a big organization moving entirely backwards while having a lot of intelligent comrades. Seemingly we will spend another 20 years revolving in courts struggles and character assassination programs. Let us say somebody recommends what needs to be done, Who is that body? Are we going to listen to that somebody? How long are we going to listen as PAC members? All what we spend time doing is to check who says what and we attack. > >The main issue here is not the party objective but personal objectives that have clouded the PAC Program. Super views which could have fixed the PAC were long cast out and thrown out of the table and nothing is learned by us as members. Mphahlele is out but the problem is still there in the PAC, now recently Mphethi is out but there is still a problem. What I can conclude now is that maybe all of us need to be out of PAC to allow PAC to grow, who else must be out of PAC for PAC to get it right? > > >Regards, >Thabani Zondo >Tel : 072 020 5127 >smollzo...@gmail.com HEAD OFFICE >CENTENARY BUILDING >CHURCH SQUARE >PRETORIA >0001 TEL: 012 323 9892 >FAX: 086 617 7851 >PO BOX 5981 >PRETORIA >0001 > > > > >On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: > >M’Afrika >> >>I fully agree with M’Afrika Kutie the enemies of PAC are more happier given the rate of disintegration of PAC. This disintegration must be arrested late as it might be! At a principled level, I disagree with the notion that PAC branches and members are fighting Cde Moloto for such a notion create an illusion that all is well in the PAC. Constitutionally PAC NEC has disintegrated and cannot execute any constitutional roles without being questioned, there are three NEC groupings claiming legitimacy. As PAC we are facing parallel structures across the country including in APLAMVA and PAYCO! >> >>PAC NEC elected at Butterworth Congress in July 2012 no longer constitutes a quorum for it has split into three unequal and non-quorating parts! According to e-mails and letters we saw since 11 May 2013, Cde Letlapa has been suspended and expelled, Cde Moloto has been suspended and expelled (By Cde Letlapa and now recently by acting President Mpethi), and allegedly Cde Mpethi has also being suspended! There are other NEC members equally suspended. So comrades in the NEC have resorted to suspending and expelling each other, while refusing to account to PAC branches and members at an inclusive national conference. >> >>There is no attack on the party’s annual conference but an attack to factional feuding and weakening of the PAC! >> >>This feuding which weakens the PAC must be arrested, and only an inclusive national conference can take the PAC towards a lasting political and organisational solution. >> >>Shango lashu >> >>Nkrumah >>From:payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] >>Sent: 04 September 2014 12:42 PM >>To: Kutie Thondlana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za >>Cc: mrfihla08; payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; jntab...@gmail.com; L Lekgwathi; lucasmmol...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; billiard.s...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; bennet_j...@yahoo.com; > bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com; ndhlo...@pac.org.za; Nakaphala Bauba; nnyq...@gmail.com; m...@soultalk.co.za; mapulankoan...@gmail.com; mvakalijust...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; mphah...@eskom.co.za; malingeplaat...@yahoo.com; mphothobej...@yahoo.com; mokoen...@workmail.co.za; moshemahlom...@gmail.com; monyanepin...@gmail.com; mop...@pac.org.za; mnd...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; njabulo.m...@gmail.com; vu...@telkomsa.net; dumisani...@gmail.com >> >>Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference >> >>Cde Kutie >> >>It is simple the enemies of the PAC are simply those who are using members for their individual purposes and to some extend in the interest of the people they serve out there. Let me assure you pretending there is no need to have an elected NEC organising a conference and rather preferring an individual to do so and who think he is everything can only be accepted by you and others. Leaders who grew in this party and with long service should have known by now that whatever they trying to in May 11 last will catch up with them and those who thought they will benefit out of that fiasco they can rest a little more is to be seen. >> >> >>On Thursday, September 4, 2014 11:06 AM, Kutie Thondlana <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>MaAfrika, >> >>An All Inclusive Consultative Conference may just be our answer. We need a platform to address all the concerns mentioned in circulating emails and come up with a plan that will assist in rebuilding the PAC from then on. I'm sure our enemies operating within the party to destroy PAC are already celebrating success, let us not allow them that glory. We must prevent PAC from being made the ruling party Project. PAC must never die! >> >> >>Izwe Lethu! >>Kutie >>On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:38 AM, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za> wrote: >>"All these years fighting each other but there is no solution . . . what's wrong with us" - line in Lucky Dube's song >>The solution is you comrades. . . .lets get into our structures and bring that change. It is expected that there will be those who will try to maintain the current chaos by all means. Folding arms therefore won't help, to complain either so only active engagement to pursue a collective principle will put us in a better place as an organization. >> >>iAfrika >> >>iAfrika >> >> >>On 2014-09-04 10:14, mrfihla08 wrote: >>Ma Afrika Izwe Lethu >>> >>>I note that name calling and castigation of characters has become such a profession in the PAC. What surprises me, is that the very individuals such as Narius Moloto were paraded by some of us who are so vocal today against him. Narius was appointed by Mphahlele as party builder and Mphahlele's faction was fully behind him. He was subsequently elected at the Gcuwa circus as Secretary General. Those who were part of the Gcuwa circus must therefore take the blame for anything that they are opposing in Moloto today. >>> >>>Now, At what point ma Afrika are we going to talk about what can unite us instead of all this mud slinging and divisive language? We all know that instead of campaigning during the past elections, we were busy promoting our factional interests, taking each other to court, making statements in the media that decampaigned the PAC, and some of us even failed to vote. Today however we are so good at criticising instead of collectively accepting blame. Some of us who are talking today were part of Mphahlele's faction that created divisive parallel structures and expelled some of us from the PAC. Please ma Afrika let us stop with this childish and reactionary behavior that does not take us anywhere. All we need now is genuine solutions to the PAC problems. Factional statements and campaigns will not take us anywhere. For now, Moloto remains secretary general of the PAC, all the noises we can make against him will not help. The reality also here is that some > of us are not genuine, we are not fighting Moloto because we have the interests of the PAC at heart. We are fighting Moloto because we are pushing factional interests. My proposal is that let us identify those aspects that can help us to unite the PAC instead of engaging in useless muddling. >>> >>>Fihla >>> >>> >>>Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> >>>-------- Original message -------- >>>From: Mbuyiselo Kantso >>>Date:04/09/2014 08:41 (GMT+02:00) >>>To: payco@googlegroups.com, linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za, ad...@pac.org.za, wgaj...@gmail.com, rammymfulw...@gmail.com, richardma...@yahoo.com, river.mla...@telkomsa.net, ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za, takalaniligeg...@gmail.com, tumimod...@hotmail.co.za, tyamza...@yahoo.com, tnta...@webmail.co.za, isaa...@diplomat-global.com, i...@bataufc.com, lea...@hotmail.com, phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com, p...@vodamail.co.za, paccapeme...@webmail.co.za, pasmapresid...@gmail.com, pactshwanereg...@gmail.com, pacmogalec...@gmail.com, pac.nc...@gmail.com, phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za, pacaza...@webmail.co.za, s...@pac.org.za, smollzo...@gmail.com, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za, sbusiso.x...@gmail.com, dud...@webmail.co.za, digashuma...@gmail.com, dmalo...@klerksdorp.org, goqwana.san...@gmail.com, hlubi.so...@gmail.com, joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com, jntab...@gmail.com, kutie.thondl...@gmail.com, 'L Lekgwathi' , lucasmmol...@gmail.com, znyam...@gmail.com, billiard.s...@gmail.com, > bulanng...@gmail.com, bennet_j...@yahoo.com, bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com, ndhlo...@pac.org.za, 'Nakaphala Bauba' , nnyq...@gmail.com, m...@soultalk.co.za, mapulankoan...@gmail.com, mvakalijust...@gmail.com, mbind...@gmail.com, mrfihl...@gmail.com, mphah...@eskom.co.za, malingeplaat...@yahoo.com, mphothobej...@yahoo.com, mokoen...@workmail.co.za, moshemahlom...@gmail.com, monyanepin...@gmail.com, mop...@pac.org.za, mnd...@yahoo.com, po...@yahoo.com, celenjabulo...@gmail.com, njabulo.m...@gmail.com, vu...@telkomsa.net, dumisani...@gmail.com >>>Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference >>>Morning Cde. Raymond >>> >>>I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any given. >>> >>>The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing. >>> >>> For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak revolutionary theory to say the least. >>> >>>There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100 years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation, disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will remain the same. >>> >>>Izwe Lethu! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>Izwe lethu M'Afrika >>> >>>Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. >>> >>>Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves! >>> >>>Shango lashu >>>Nkrumah >>> >>> >>>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>From: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za> >>>Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM >>>Subject: attack on party annual conference >>>To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, < rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, < takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>, <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, < tyamza...@yahoo.com>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>, <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>, <i...@bataufc.com>, <lea...@hotmail.com>, <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>, < p...@vodamail.co.za>, "Cape" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, < pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>, < pacmogalec...@gmail.com>, <pac.nc...@gmail.com>, < phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>, <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>, "Narius Moloto" < s...@pac.org.za>, <smollzo...@gmail.com>, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>, < sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, <dud...@webmail.co.za>, <digashuma...@gmail.com>, "Delano Maloney" <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>, <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>, < hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>, <jntab...@gmail.com>, <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>, "Lekgathi" > <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, < lucasmmol...@gmail.com>, <znyam...@gmail.com>, <billiard.s...@gmail.com>, < bulanng...@gmail.com>, <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>, "bulelanim1718" < bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>, <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>, < nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>, <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "Michael Muendane" < m...@soultalk.co.za>, <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>, <mvakalijust...@gmail.com>, <mbind...@gmail.com>, <mrfihl...@gmail.com>, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" < mphah...@eskom.co.za>, <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>, <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>, "Pinkie Monyane" < monyanepin...@gmail.com>, <mop...@pac.org.za>, <mnd...@yahoo.com>, < po...@yahoo.com>, <celenjabulo...@gmail.com> >>>Cc: <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>, <vu...@telkomsa.net>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za> >>> >>>Izwe Lethu >>> >>> >>> >>>Please find the attached for your attention. >>> >>>Pass the message to other structure and members. >>> >>> >>> >>>Regards >>> >>>PAC of Azania >>> >>>Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11 >>> >>>Fax : 086 527 0380 >>> >>>Email : ad...@pac.org.za >>> >>>Website: http://www.pac.org.za/ >>> >>> >>> >>>*A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM* >>> >>>-- >>>-- >>>Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>> >>>Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> >>>You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >>>Visit our website at http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ >>> >>>--- >>>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >>-- >>-- >>Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >> >>Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> >>You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >> >>Visit our website at http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ >> >> >>--- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >-- >-- >Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com > >Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > >You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > >Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > >--- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. 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