I agree there are plenty of people who seem to like to complain even though they don't know what they're talking about, but I don't think the blind are any more prone to doing this than the general population. I would like to think that the blind are better than the general population in many respects, but I think the fact of the matter is that we're all human and that includes the bad along with the good. I'd like to say I get a laugh out of people who paint the blind with such broad strokes, but I resent stereotyping like this whether it comes from within the disabled community or without.
On another subject, I've seen people praising Apple for their attention to accessibility, and although the iPod and the iPhone may have some features built into them with accessibility in mind, the fact of the matter is that these products came to the market and were not accessible. I realize that not every product will be accessible, and I'm not sure every product needs to be, but I really don't think Apple is any better than any other company with respect to making their products accessible. I also must admit, I don't always see the appeal of the Apple products, other than they are stylish. I've had Creative alternatives to the iPod Shuffle, an iRiver MP3 player running Rockbox and a cell phone running a screen reader with an MP3 player, digital camera and a bunch of other features. All of these products are less expensive than their Apple counterparts, and are generally much more accessible. Dane Trethowan wrote: > I must admit, I get a good laugh out of some people who just hunt > around for excuses without actually reading fact, I guess that's the > "blind" for you, easier to knock something than read or research > something or try something. > The I phone I admit is not perfect but neither are a million other > products but yet most are usable with a little forethought, at the > present stage the Ip phone cannot be used by a totally blind person > because of the nature of its design and in a previous message I > posted a way that this problem could be rectified. I also said that > if you went to the pages pertaining to the I Phone, you could bring > up the Accessability pages and you would discover that many > accessability features have been built-in to help people including > people with low vision, deafness etc. I'll be perfectly frank with > all of you, as I'm deaf-blind, I may consider purchasing this phone > in the future for the main benefit of accessing its "TTY" > capabilities. Obviously I'm not going to waste my money until I find > out how these work but as I use a "TTY" allot of my time then this > feature (assuming I can get it to work somehow) will be highly useful > for my communications needs etc. > > On 19/07/2007, at 11:38 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: > > Yup. If your visually impaired you might be able to squint and see the > phone. Just another way to burn out what vision you may have left. > > It's really too bad though, as a simple MP3 talk clip style TTS of > each menu > and function would make this phone a real option for blind folk...Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > Indeed and you'll find that Apple have done everything as far as the > design allows to build accessability into this phone, go and look up > I Phone accessability and you'll find at least 2 pages listing > accessability features on this device. > > On 19/07/2007, at 4:41 PM, Gary Wood wrote: > > Well if Apple says that they want to put accessible products in the > blind > marketplace, we should call them on this issue. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > >> maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why >> blindness >> organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't >> fill that >> is >> worth the trouble. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Thankfully yes! >> >> The majority of the sighted market. >> >> definitely not the accessible market >> >> I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for >> three >> years now. >> >> It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. >> >> kG. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM >> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard >> drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever >> if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may >> be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their >> isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know, >> the "wheel" interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the >> end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority >> in the market. >> >> On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: >> >> Sorry dude! >> >> Not impressed. I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox. >> >> Now, if your telling me that Apple is going to launch the promised >> speech >> capabilities of Ipods, then I will really be impressed...KG >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list." <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:29 PM >> Subject: 6th generation IPOD's Comin >> >> >> Ok, that's what today's press here is writing about and what's so >> good about this. 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