High Chris,
I agree with you.
I went through that too.
So now when I download a media player of any kind, I always choose custom 
install.
However, all list members if you are reading this, please pay close 
attention.
Real Media doesn't give you that option.
Just as you get it, that's how you have to install it.
  John.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Skarstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC


> Hi.  This is why it's really, really important to make sure that you
> don't just click yes like a mad man when you're going through these
> installs. I've had like 5 other people on the list I run have similar
> issues, and I can't imagine how everyone misses these checkboxes to
> install the Winamp remote, and the Winamp toolbar for Internet explorer.
>
> . Now, because I chose the custom install instead of the standard
> one, that's probably why the check boxes showed up.  But anymore when
> it comes to installing a media player, and yes sadly Winamp nowadays
> even, it's really important to always choose the custom
> install.  That way you know *exactly* what's happening during the
> instalation and can avoid any other weird software being installed
> that you don't want on your machine.  Believe me, I went through this
> too, and my atempt isn't to chide or look down on anyone else for not
> knowing, it's quite the opposite. I want to help folks to not make
> the same mistakes I made and had to fix later.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> At 04:25 AM 11/22/2007, you wrote:
>>They do try to slam you with a tool bar but I can't remember which one. 
>>It
>>seems to be the latest fad in the land of media players.  Real 11 just 
>>tried
>>to get me to take fire Fox and the Google tool bar. they even set fire Fox
>>as the default browser and I didn't know for a while even after I'd
>>uninstalled it.  You'd have thought the configuration would have reverted 
>>to
>>I.E. when I removed fire fox, but know, smile.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>On Behalf Of Gary Wood
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:11 PM
>>To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
>>
>>It seems like I got a toolbar with this latest version of Winamp that I 
>>had
>>to uninstall.  It seemed to mess some things up for me.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:46 PM
>>Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
>>
>>
>> > Yes, I actually agree with you, I've found Winamp to be a consistent
>> > performer until version 5.5 for some reason.
>> > Of course (Windows being what it is) there may be some sort of
>> > conflict somewhere on my system which Winamp involves itself in.
>> > I just think quite frankly that Winamp is becoming one of those pieces
>> > of software providing features to try and suit everyone, in other
>> > words its becoming big and bloated, a bit like Sound Forge has become
>> > in many ways but again that's just my view.
>> > Yeah, VLC looks as though it was born and bred to run on a network
>> > doesn't it, perhaps you should try adjusting some of the many tweeks
>> > and preferences Chris if you're having trouble playing some streams, I
>> > haven't gone into this area thoroughly as yet, I haven't had the need
>> > to but (if my experience is anything to go by wiusing the Mac version
>> > of VLC) you'll be able to fix any problems which arise without too
>> > much trouble.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:35 AM
>> > To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> > Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
>> >
>> > I also have VLC Media player and it's a very interesting little
>> > program. It plays some file types better than others on my system and
>> > if you have your computers on a network it works great.   Now, this
>> > Winamp issue...I've been using Windows in all its versions for 10
>> > years, 95, 98 SE, XP and I'm sure at some point, i'll even give into
>> > Vista.  But in all that time, I can say with absolute certainty that
>> > Winamp has never caused my computer to crash, in other words just
>> > running Winamp never made my computer crash.  I would suspect that in
>> > Dane's case, there are other issues with the computer he is using to
>> > run Windows. It just saddens me that we have people trashing each
>> > other's choices of an operating system, we all need to remember that
>> > everyone's needs are different and while some prefer windows, others
>> > prefer Apple Macks. Let's quit all the mean little jabs here.
>> > You don't see me sitting there calling  the apple mack a trashbox, so
>> > I would expect that people would respect my choice even though they
>> > may disagree with it.  Come on now.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  At 10:16 AM 11/20/2007, you wrote:
>> >>Really? Well VLC actually (let the truth be told) is Open source and
>> >>is a cross platform media player.
>> >>We have a publication in our newspaper The Age every Thursday and VLC
>> >>has been getting rave reviews for the PC in it for quite some time,
>> >>had I not needed to come back to Trashbox PC then I wouldn't have
>> >>bothered investigating.
>> >>Anyhow, for those who want to try something tha's nice and small and
>> >>runs very nicely then have a look.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>On Behalf Of Keith Gillard
>> >>Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 2:53 AM
>> >>To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> >>Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
>> >>
>> >>If Winamp is a little to complicated for you I might suggest that you
>> >>keep using your proprietary Mac crap!
>> >>
>> >>Thank you for contributing to my block senders list!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:45 AM
>> >>Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and
>> >>I
>> > had
>> >>a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the
>> >>Windows
>> >>PC) <smile> For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was
>> >>responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes.
>> >>
>> >>Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where
>> >>crashes are few and far between) <lol> is totally unacceptable so back
>> >>onto the machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that
>> >>I make the following observations.
>> >>
>> >>Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc,
>> >>you can hear the differences quite distinctly.
>> >>
>> >>Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of
>> >>ways, VLC is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as
>> >>Winamp seems to be.
>> >>
>> >>I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much
>> >>experience with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different
>> >>but that's
>> > probably
>> >>due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and
>> >>Trashbox Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks
>> >>in VLC under
>> > the
>> >>Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC
>> >>version you use P and N on the keyboard
>> >>
>> >>If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try
>> >>then use your friend Google and look for "vlc", you'll have no trouble
>> >>finding it. Takes up a lot less space than Winamp does plus it will
>> >>play just about everything you can throw at it, including Cue and
>> >>Wave/FLAC pairs.
>> >>
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