I'd like to think it to be wrong as well, but I was sighted for 40 years and never saw the types of complaining and fighting and whining from other sighted persons that I've seen on blind mailing lists from many blind persons over the last 4 years since I lost my sight.
The blind community sadly is far more fragmented from in fighting probably more than any sighted group I've seen. Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible I'd like to think I'm wrong as well but sadly (whether you agree nor not) its all too true. Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Well, I don't agree with the statement "rather than just being content > to sit back as blind people do on the whole and wine about how this > isn't perfect, that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible," and > yes I did notice the smiley at the end! > > IMHO, blind people are people too, and this means that we share the > positive and not so positive characteristics of our sighted > counterparts. I don't think the blind are any more likely to sit back > and whine than the sighted. I'm on quite a few lists that have nothing > to do with blindness, and I've never found that the blind have a corner > on the "sit back and whine" market. > > Although I disagree with statements like this, that imply the blind are > more defensive, lazier or whinier than our sighted counterparts, I do > agree with the sentiment that we need to give companies balanced and > constructive feedback on our accessibility needs. I don't think rants on > the malevolence of Microsoft and Nokia are productive, just like I don't > think sermons on how saintly Apple is are beneficial. That's just my > $0.02, and it's probably not even worth that! > > Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Yes that's indeed true but managing playlists for a couple of thousand >> songs can be a challenge for the best of us <smile>. Ipod Nanos are >> far cheaper than say mobile phones and getting Talks or Mobile Speak >> put on them, not to mention (in the case of the N95 phone at least), >> more practical as the sound quality is far better. >> >> Yes, its taken Apple a while to get things done but thankfully we've >> had a lot of patient people who have presented Apple with feedback >> about their products rather than just being content to sit back as >> blind people do on the whole and wine about how this isn't perfect, >> that isn't perfect or the other isn't accessible <smile>. >> >> So finally, I take my hat off to everyone who writes to Apple and >> other company's with feedback about the products their using, glad its >> not jut me <smile>. >> >> >> On 11/09/2008, at 7:23 AM, saqib wrote: >> >> >>> Forgive me for my comment folks. Isn't it just easy enough to listen >>> to >>> music from your phone or preferred MP3 device. It's taken Apple so >>> long to >>> meet the VI sector half way with the accessibility issues. Their >>> attitude >>> was sod the blind and who ever can't access our devices or software. >>> It's >>> good that Apple are getting their head around the accessibility >>> factor but >>> this wasn't the case before. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 9:37 PM >>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi Stephen, I have not played with one so am going based on what I've >>>> read, >>>> but it appears that what happens is that when your nano is >>>> connected to >>>> your >>>> PC or Mac, a scan is made for all albums and songs on your nano. >>>> Using >>>> your >>>> default system voice, say RealSpeak Daniel in SAPI 5 as an example, >>>> files >>>> are generated for every artist, song and album. These are then >>>> copied to >>>> your Nano so that as you move through the menus, albums and tracks, >>>> you >>>> can >>>> hear what these tracks are. So this is quite different from having >>>> real >>>> text >>>> to speech on the device itself, and emulates what the guys at >>>> Rockbox gave >>>> us quite some time ago, but is still commendable nonetheless. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Guerra >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 8:18 a.m. >>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> Jonathan, so, when you have the new Nano hooked up to your pc, it >>>> feeds >>>> off >>>> the TTS you are running and loads it on to the Nano, or am I way off. >>>> >>>> Does the Nano require you to install software to have speech? >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:56 PM >>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> Alex and all, the new iPod Nanos are sort of accessible but do not >>>> use >>>> text >>>> to speech. They use the technique Rockbox has used for around 5 >>>> years, >>>> where >>>> they use your default system voice on your PC/Mac to create files >>>> that >>>> live >>>> on the nano to announce menus, albums and songs. >>>> >>>> In terms of iTunes in Windows, iTunes 8 has implemented extensive >>>> use of >>>> Microsoft Active Accessibility (MSAA). Because of this, JAWS will >>>> be able >>>> to >>>> work well out of the box with iTunes once we enable MSAA support for >>>> iTunes >>>> in the next public beta of JAWS 10. I have just been testing this >>>> today >>>> and >>>> am able to use the iTunes Music Store, the Radio feature and many >>>> others. >>>> Apple have done a good job here. >>>> >>>> Jonathan >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Alex Stone >>>> Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2008 6:53 a.m. >>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' >>>> Subject: RE: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> Lauren, According to the Apple website the latest IPod is >>>> accessible, but >>>> I >>>> haven't seen one, so I don't know. >>>> Cheers >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> ] >>>> On Behalf Of Lauren >>>> Sent: 10 September 2008 19:11 >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> If Itunes is accessible now, which Ipod is accessible as well? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Lauren >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:33 AM >>>> Subject: Itunes 8 now accessible >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject line says it all, both for Windows and Mac. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> From Melton Victoria Australia >>>>> mailto:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >>>>> phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 >>>>> Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 >>>>> Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 >>>>> MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> skype callto:grtdane12 >>>>> >>>>> ****************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1664 - Release Date: >>> 10/09/2008 >>> 06:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >>> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >>> http://www.pc-audio.org >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> ****************************** >> Dane Trethowan >> From Melton Victoria Australia >> mailto:Dane Trethowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> phone +61 3 9005 8589 >> Fax/TTY +61 3 9743 7954 >> mobile/sms: +614 418 773 532 >> MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> skype: callto:grtdane12 >> ****************************** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jonathan Mosen List Founder >> Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... >> http://www.pc-audio.org >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia mailto:"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" phone (+61 3) 9005 8589 Fax (+61 3) 9743 7954 Mobile/SMS (+61 418) 773 532 MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype callto:grtdane12 ****************************** Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
