I should point out that Dane's comments are only relevant for list members 
living in Australia.

The DAB system used in the USA is different because of the early adoption of 
the DAB standard in that country.  DAB in the USA also seems to have strong 
competition from satellite radio which can offer a greater range of content.

The Roberts Ecologic 4 is  a radio originally designed for DAB radio in 
Britain but has been modified to meet the DAB+ standard used in Australia.

I live in Brisbane, Queensland, which is about 1500 miles north of Melbourne 
where Dane lives.  In Brisbane there are more than 20 digital channels 
offered by AM or FM broadcasters and an odd  collection of special interest 
groups (mostly non-English speaking).

I have a Roberts Ecologic 4 and like it very much, partly because it is a 
portable and partly because it has a line out that llows it to be connected 
to a hi fi system for remarkably good results.  As far as I can tell, most 
digital radios being sold in Australia do not have the line out feature.

The Ecologic is a little quirky in its controls.  You can't tune across the 
digital channels in the conventional manner.   You have to press the up or 
down key then the enter key to move from one channel to another.  As far as 
I can tell, you can't press the up key 3 times and then press the enter key 
and hope to move up 3 channels.

Acquiring and holding a digital signal can be a problem if you are getting 
further away from the transmitters.  The Ecologic 4 makes a sound remarkably 
like a bronx cheer when it is having difficulty holding a digital signal.

However, digital radio is no different to FM in signal degradation the 
further you get away from the transmitter.

Dane, if it becomes too aggravating, look at the C Crane company web pages 
because they have an excellent FM antenna for marginal areas that may 
improve your reception of the digital transmissions.

The only other complaint I have about the Ecologic 4 is that it supposedly 
has 10 presets.  Five are accessed using a shift key but I have yet to be 
able to store a station in the shifted presets.  For some reason the device 
will just not store them.  I wonder if it was because I wasn't holding my 
mouth right <GRIN>.

Bob Nelson



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dane Trethowan" <grtd...@internode.on.net>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: So I bought a Digital radio..


All the commercial stations plus there extra channels, Buckle Country, 
Radar, Koffee, ABC Grandstand, all the SBS channels which include delayed 
feeds as well as a service broadcasting the BBC World Service 24/7 at the 
moment etc.


On 17/03/2010, at 8:13 PM, hank smith wrote:

> hello
> what would we get on one of these sets if i was going to buy one of these 
> units?
> Hank
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" 
> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:39 PM
> Subject: So I bought a Digital radio..
>
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> I bought myself a Digital radio today and thought I'd tell you of my 
>> experiences with the set thus far.
>>
>> I chose the Roberts Ecologic 4 DAB/DAB+ portable digital radio  as I know 
>> people who are using it and I wouldn't be surprised if some of those 
>> people are on this list so hello to you and I hope you're enjoying the 
>> rich listening experience which Digital Radio in the capital cities of 
>> Mainland Australia offers.
>>
>> Now I have to warn you of a couple of things here, when you initially 
>> turn the set on it will do a scan of the DAB+ bands in Australia and DAB 
>> bands if you're in the U.K., so far so good.  The next challenge you have 
>> is finding what you want and I've found ways to scroll through or "seek" 
>> stations, once you've found what you want you can put that station into 
>> the preset memory by holding down the button you want the station to be 
>> associated with, say button 1 or if you want to use the presets above 5 
>> hold down the shift key and then old down preset 1 for preset 6, you can 
>> just press the preset then of the desired station you want so others may 
>> find it easier to have someone sighted go through the stations and that 
>> way you can nominate the one's you want in the preset channels.
>>
>> I live about 24 miles away from the centre of Melbourne so signal is 
>> probably fairly week and I'll talk more about that in a few moments.
>>
>> I've noticed that in Melbourne stations are sorted in alphabetical order 
>> which may make things easier when you're setting the presets, for example 
>> suppose you know you're listening to ABC Local Radio 774, turn the 
>> selector knob once clockwise and press the select button, you'll then be 
>> on 3mp+, turn it 2  clicks and you're on 3MP etc so perhaps a few notes 
>> taken will be handy here.
>>
>> Digital radios are a bit of a pest in that you have to be careful of 
>> placement and the Roberts Ecologic 4 in my experience thus far is no 
>> exception, I'd like to have it in the back room but the radio and my 
>> computers just don't get on so the radio is on the top of my fridge in my 
>> kitchen and even then! I had to adjust the aerial to exactly the right 
>> angle, you know if you don't get a signal on the Ecologic 4 as the sound 
>> drops out totally so I wouldn't recommend you walk around the house with 
>> one of these things even though the set is a good tough portable.
>>
>> the radio runs on both AC mains and battery power, its claimed in the 
>> manual that the Roberts Ecologic 4 radio will last up to 150 hours on a 
>> set of alkaline batteries.
>>
>> Sound quality exceeded my expectations for such a small set, the radio 
>> has both headphones and line output.
>>
>> Last but not least, the radio has a FM band for those times when you 
>> can't receive a digital signal and why this radio doesn't have a standard 
>> AM broadcast band I'll never know, do the manufacturers of digital radio 
>> sets think we just live with a FM band even though top rating radio 
>> stations in Melbourne and Sydney for instance are on the AM band?
>>
>>
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