Well, for my part, I don't have a problem with someone being a happy Winamp or Windows Media Player or Media Monkey or iTunes or VLC or Media Player Classic or whatever user. I can probably think of a dozen different media or audio players off the top of my head, and they all have their advocates. I don't blame anyone for not spending time with half a dozen or so media players to find the perfect one when they don't have any complaints with the media player they're using.
I suppose technically a "If it isn't broken then don't fix it." attitude is closed minded, but somehow I don't think the fact that a few people are happy with Winamp is going to have the world going no where technologically, politically and economically. I'm also not sure why someone has to be qualified to have such an attitude. I'm not sure why I have to investigate every media player I hear of or that gets recommended to me to know that the one I'm using happens to do what I want it to do. You say you're absolutely fine with someone who's happy with their current audio player and isn't interested in testing out new applications but then you imply that they're somehow incapable of locating, testing and using new software. That doesn't sound like you are fine with it. Were you just being sarcastic? Also, why are you adverse to telling someone what you like about FooBar, especially since you go ahead and mention a few things you like about FooBar? I've looked at FooBar before, and I still bring it up in certain situations, but I know it's ever changing, so a particularly strong recommendation might have me taking another look. For my part, I know Winamp isn't perfect, and I spent a lot of time looking at different media players. I ended up coming back to Winamp because it was the only media player that did everything I wanted it to and did it in an accessible way. Winamp is a resource pig, but I have plenty of horse power on this system, and I'm willing to spend some resources on a media player that does everything I want. I don't see why someone should try to make me feel bad for this. If I had a smaller system then Winamp may not meet my needs, and I'd be more inclined to use FooBar or another lighter weight media player, like VLC or Media Player Classic. With FooBar I have to go through the tedious process of setting up all of the keyboard shortcuts because it comes with so few by default. Sure it's great that it's so flexible, but maybe I like the key bindings I have in Winamp and I don't choose to spend my time setting them up in FooBar. Also, I had to install plugins to get FooBar to rate the songs in my library and work with my portable media player. Winamp already has these features or comes with these plugins. I'm not knocking FooBar, it's a great program, it's popular and I use it myself. I'm not going to knock anyone who doesn't use it though. I'm also not going to knock anyone who chooses not to give it a try or look more closely at it. There are a lot of options out there and people are free to choose the media player they want to use, and they're even free to choose whatever media player they want for whatever reason they want. On 15/04/11 10:41, James Scholes wrote: > Your attention to detail (i.e. spelling Foobar with a V) would suggest > that you have not considered the very real possibility that Foobar may > contain features that, up-to-now, you have not considered you even > needed, nor have you considered that Foobar2000 is an audio player, not > a media player. The emphasis is on audio playback, and this appeals to > some folks. > > I'll admit that I switched to Foobar2000 from WinAmp about 2 and a half > years ago, and haven't looked back. But I'm not here to advocate for > its usage, nor to outline in great detail what it is about Foobar that > makes me prefer it over WinAmp. That is for you to decide, and until > you have tried the product (which is free and does not conflict with an > existing WinAmp installation) or at the very least studied the list of > features and extra plug-ins available, you are not qualified to take the > narrow-minded view that "if something ain't broke, don't fix it". There > is *always* room for improvement, and that improvement shouldn't have to > stand out and hit you in the face for you to notice it. If everybody > took such a stilted view of development, whether it be technological, > political, economical or otherwise, the world would go nowhere. > > If you do not wish to try other products, as you feel your current > set-up is adequate for your needs, that is absolutely fine. I am not > adverse to people sitting back and leaving others to test new software > or make change. There are legitimate reasons, such as lack of interest, > knowledge and/or skill that may make you incapable, or unwilling to > locate, use and assess new software. But asking others what appeals to > them about other products is pointless. If I were to tell you that > Foobar has a very handy plug-in available for previewing sections of > songs, and that it comes in very useful when broadcasting internet radio > shows, would that apply to you? If I said that it uses less RAM than > WinAmp, would you care? For all I know, your computer might be a > powerhouse of a machine with an amount of memory that makes high RAM > usage insignificant. > > I should also note that Foobar is extremely popular, and that popularity > is increasing constantly. This somewhat removes the notion that you > either look for new software or you don't; you can be alerted to the > existence of a new software application simply by reading status updates > on a social networking website, someone's e-mail signature, an article > on a blog related to a topic you were actually investigating, etc. I > didn't find Foobar through research into new media players; I found it > through a software recommendation. > > Previously, Tom Kaufman said: >> Christopher and list: Amen! If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I've >> never tried Foover (I've no doubt that it's probably a good player) >> but I so far have had good luck with Winamp, so why would I want to >> change? What does Foover do that Winamp doesn't? I guess what I'm >> saying is: if I felt the need to go with a different player, I'd >> probably give this "Foover a try. But currently, Winamp seems to work >> okay for me! >> Tom Kaufman >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" >> <chalt...@gmail.com> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 10:38 AM >> Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes >> >> >>> Well, I totally disagree with this statement. Maybe I hang around with >>> particularly cautious sighted people or particularly adventurous blind >>> people, but I don't find blind computer users any more reluctant to try >>> new applications than sighted people. IMHO, this is a dangerous >>> stereotype, maybe caused by spending more time on blindness related >>> mailing lists than mailing lists frequented by the general public. >>> >>> That being said, I also don't blame anyone who is happy with what >>> they're using and isn't looking to change. "If it isn't broken, don't >>> fix it." I used to spend all of my time looking for a better media >>> player, but then I decided I'd rather spend my time listening to music >>> than playing around with the various accessibility foibles of the >>> different media players out there. >>> >>> On 15/04/11 03:48, Anders Holmberg wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> Yes i totally agree with you. >>>> Sometimes i think blind people are more afraid of security risks and >>>> taking risks at all with their computers. >>>> Personally i have tried several programs for windows on this machine >>>> with mixed results. >>>> Some programs work some don't. >>>> However foobar is the greatest player i've tried. >>>> /A >>>> >>>> Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-14 21:15: >>>>> By now you would think somebody would have done something. I think >>>>> it's because people who are blind stick to there one or two programs >>>>> and don't like to explore and try hnew things. If they only knew that >>>>> foobar is one of the best media players out there. >>>>> I'm sure it doesn't need to be a very detailed set file since the only >>>>> thing W E won't read is the main list view everything else is >>>>> accessible already. >>>>> ,sigh. >>>>> bb >>>>> Brett Boyer >>>>> Audio Production and voice over >>>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anders Holmberg" >>>>> <and...@pipkrokodil.se> >>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:18 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: foobar and window-eyes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> Its a shame its not working with we. >>>>>> I have had the same problems as you. >>>>>> Suggest that you tell the devs of we to make a set file for it. >>>>>> Hal and nvda also works great with it. >>>>>> /A >>>>>> >>>>>> Brett Boyer skrev 2011-04-13 23:04: >>>>>>> Hi. I'm trying to use foobar with window-eyes and for some strange >>>>>>> reason it is not working. Anyone have any ideas on how to make this >>>>>>> wonderful audio program work with WE? >>>>>>> Jfw seems okay with it but I don't own a current version that works >>>>>>> with windows 7. The only thing that doesn't work is the main >>>>>>> playlist listview. Any techys out there got ani idea on what I can >>>>>>> do to make this happen? >>>>>>> TIA >>>>>>> bb >>>>>>> Brett Boyer >>>>>>> Audio Production and voice over >>>>>>> http://brettboyer.voices.com >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> chalt...@gmail.com >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: >> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org >> > -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
