don't misread me I have profound misgivings about this new virtual infrastructure cost is but one. I think in the long run customer demand will dictate cost. Good call on the sighted observer I'll keep that in mind.
Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 15:58 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player I think you might need sighted help to see the download link for the downloader. I do know when I purchase an mp3 file or album I then see the link for the downloader but my tame computer guy saw it before that but it is there. As for Cloud players being the future? In the UK if you wanted 1tb of storage on the Amazon cloud then it would cost £320 per year, that's $486 per year, a lot of money that will never cease and may only go up. If it were a more economical option that would be different. Also, not all cloud storage is accessible for the blind and there is no sign of them becoming so unless there are plug ins and or work arounds. Here in the UK I can get 2 Seagate 4tb USB external drives for the £320 Amazon wants for 1TB of storage and the External drive is much more accessible. Walter. -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: 02 July 2013 16:25 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player not the route for some the route for all I am seeing more and more the industry adopting cloud storage and pushing it hard. I see references to the downloader when they discuss amz files but no link to the downloader only the cloud player operator error? Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 15:21 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player Hi Ray. No, when you download whole albums either from the site or from the cloud player you still need the Amazon downloader. You can as I understand it download a single track without the downloader but not a whole album, unless you want to download the album track by track. However, if you have the downloader installed then even downloading a single track will launch the downloader but if you don't have the downloader you can only download one track at a time. You don't have to download any tracks though and you don't need the downloader if you are only going to play tracks on the cloud player, you only need the downloader if you want to download a track to your computer, apart from that you can use the cloud player as your music player. You have 5gig free space but you can purchase more if you wish, up to 1TB but that is expensive. In essence, you need never download any music to your computer and in fact any music you have on your computer can be uploaded to the cloud player. I guess you could look at the cloud player as an extra usb drive but without the physical drive but in the long run I think it is expensive but it might be the rout for some. . Walter. -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: 02 July 2013 15:53 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player I did not see the mp3 downloader program which I thought had been rendered obsolete by this cloud thing. Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 14:44 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player Hi. That's good. I hope you have much more success now. Walter. -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: 02 July 2013 15:38 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player I had bought tracks from them a long time ago. Got those folks on the phone last night and solved the redirect problem I don't know why or how but when I was last in the UK I linked the 2 but we have it sorted now from that perspective. Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 14:06 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player Hi. No, you don't have to play anything. You don't have to download the cloud player, it is a part of the Amazon site. What you would need to do is download and install the Amazon downloader because you will need that to download whole albums but you don't need to download anything to play music that is on your cloud player and you don't have to play anything to get to it. Here's my suggestion; Go to www.amazon.com. Sign in and if you are redirected to the UK site, ignore it. Find the combo box where you select the catogory of the items you want to search for, in your case, MP3 downloads. Then tab to the edit box and typen in Tony Christie. You can type in anything; the Beatles, The Eagles etc, it is just to get you to the results page. Once there look for the link that will take you to the cloud player and press enter on it. If you can try that and then get back to us and let us know the result. By the way, have you purchassed any music from Amazon's mp3 downloads in the past? Walter. -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: 02 July 2013 09:47 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player. next 2 questions do you have to play content to download it? If not how? Running JAWS13 on this machine. Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 07:48 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player Hi Ray. I get that message also but it clears in around 10 or 15 seconds. When you go to the normal site, go to the combo box and select MP3 and put in the edit box any artist or track you wish and when you get the results you will find a link to the cloud player there somewhere. Walter. -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: 02 July 2013 00:18 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player for some reason I am not finding the cloud player and whenever I visit the main site while the page comes up I also get in a frame internet explorer cannot display the webpage now amazon has come up and I am seeing amazon but I get that Ray T. Mahorney WA4WGA -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walter Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 22:54 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: cloud player Hi Ray. OK, if I understand you correctly, you go to .com and sign in and when you sign in you are redirected to .co.uk, is that what happens? If so that is very strange. After I sent my last message I did what I said I would; I went to .com and signed in and was redirected to .co.uk but that is right and proper because I can't download anything from the .com site. Apart from contacting Amazon customer service why not just go to the regular Amazon .com site and sign in. Then when you see the link for the cloud player, click on it and see where it takes you. Walter. -----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray T. Mahorney Sent: 01 July 2013 22:52 To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: cloud player Ok this is what happens when I sign at http://www.amazon.com/cloudplayer I get taken to https://www.amazon.co.uk/ap/signin?_encoding=UTF8&accountStatusPolicy=P1&ope nid.assoc_handle=gbflex& openid.claimed_id=http%3A%2F%2Fspecs.openid.net%2Fauth%2F2.0%2Fidentifier_se lect&openid.identity=htt p%3A%2F%2Fspecs.openid.net%2Fauth%2F2.0%2Fidentifier_select&openid.mode=chec kid_setup&openid.ns=http %3A%2F%2Fspecs.openid.net%2Fauth%2F2.0&openid.ns.pape=http%3A%2F%2Fspecs.ope nid.net%2Fextensions%2Fp ape%2F1.0&openid.pape.max_auth_age=0&openid.return_to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amaz on.co.uk%2Fgp%2Fdmusic%2 Fmp3%2Fplayer%3Fie%3DUTF8%26ref_%3Ddm_cp_m_redirect%23 I have killed cookies and internet files what else do I need to kill? Ray T. 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