THE PC FAIR IS BACK TOMORROW AND SUNDAY-- AND I HAVE TO KNOW WHAT I'M SHOPPING FOR!! AAAAUGHHHH!...PRESSURE!!!
OK, I took my 6360 apart as far as I could, tonight. got the back panels off and pulled out the 'drawer' motherboard to see what I actually have on this baby. aggravated by the case design. How do you loosen and remove the front panel where the cd rom and floppie drive are? I can see that once that is off, I just slide the sides and top forward to expose the whole innards. Because I couldn't successfully figure that out, I had to leave it undone. Cleaned out what dust bunnies I could with q-tips and a flashlihgt. Not happy. judging by what came out, there's more I can't get to, inside the case. removed much fluff from vents, fan, floppie slot, wiped out the MoBo space and had to be satisfied at that. ok-- questions and discussion: there's a plain metal 'pan' clipped flat on top of the 603e chip. Is that a heat sink? are there more effective ways to cool it than that rudimentary device? looked pretty crude compared to other heatsinks I've seen. The PC fair is tomorrow and sunday. Wondered if i should shop for a better heatsink assembly than what it has on it. Looked at the RAM. this can max up to 2 of 64 MB, 168 pin, =70 or< ns, 5V EDO DIMMS. looks like it doesnt have that yet. had one slot looked maxed out.... other one looks less than. I'm writing this before i hook it up and turn in on. don't even know what OS he had on it. never wandered thru OS 8 or 9 before. what am I looking for? where am I heading? to find out Hard drive size. Ram installed modem and speed OS will show at boot up, obviously. anything else it will show me? looking on the MoBo--he has no L2 cache RAM on this thing. The board has one slot attached for the typical 256k cache stick. It so happens I have such a stick. A fellow from the swaplist dropped off a bunch of free stuff at my house a week or so back. and among the items were a L2 cache card/wafer/stick pulled from an 8500 and two RAM modules pulled from same. Q?-can that L2 cache module go into my cache slot?? note: apple says 256k max in L2 cache. others say it can take up to 512k or 1MB. the G3 L2 upgrade cache modules have anywhere from 256 to 1MB on them. since the L2 volume ranges from that low of 256k to that high of 1 MB with a G3, can i safely use more L2 in that slot-- even without the G3 in it yet? can the 8500 module do any damage to it, or mess up my computing operations, if its bigger than apple wants me to limit it to? related note: I studied the motherboard styles the other day, and I see that the whole 6xxx family uses the same 'drawer', same starting architecture. same comm II slot, same PCI slot, same cache slot[s] same RAM slots, same tv in/out slot. so I knew what to expect , before I slid out the drawer tonight. I see that this board style has not one but two spaces for L2 cache modules. mine only has one holder attached thru the board, but there is already present and wired into the PCB, clearly, an area where another one is meant to be punched thru and added, probably for other models in the same architecture family. so-Q?--has anyone ever added on another of those cache holder modules on a board that was supposed to only use one? anyone have any notion of what would happen to the board/bus/system if a person were to obtain another cache holder slot and press it onto the board to make contact with those other cache circuits exposed? on to another item: I can see that on my particular board, when I get a L2 G3 cache upgrade module [sonnet, newer, whatever], it would clearly be better for me to get the one with the heatsink facing away from the RAM slot. I have more air room on that side. I was both disappointed and happy to find out that the previous owner never put any PCI cards on this board. all this time I had thought he said he put an ATI Rage 128 in there. but no such was to be found upon sliding the drawer out. So I get to shop for one at the PC fair tomorrow. OR somethng else like it. Any advice? this is a 6360 PPC, with a 603e chip, running at 160 Mhz, bus 40 Mhz, 1MB onboard VRAM, 8MB onboard DRAM, max system RAM 136MB. I have monitors aplenty to try on it: apple 14 and 15" multiscans, 17' compaq vga's, adapters till hell won't have it-- both mac and vga, and cables to match. pickle got a 1024x 8xx res on a MS 15 once, by complete accident. if that applies here. I WOULD like to play PC games on it, CD's like civlization I and II, star trek, Myst---so visuals will mean a lot to me. gaming rendering. armed with this, what PCI video cards could I buy for this at the fair tomorrow? and I DO mean to get this baby a G3 L2 cache upgrade to push the CPU up to 320 MHz, tops. so factor that in to the choices of video card when you recommend and advise me in replies. further Q?'s my bro in law gave me his SCSI zip 100 drive [external]--do I assume I should be shopping for blank zip mb disks at this fair, too? here's another item: this computer takes IDE hard drive. the motherboard does not use the typical 40 or 50 pin ribbon cable to hook to the board. the leading edge of the logic board on the front of the 'drawer' uses the kind of interface PCI cards use, to punch down into a PCI slot, to connect with the input devices [floppie drive, cd rom reader] that confounds my replacing the 8x cdrom with a 24x. but i'd like to. last year I had a runched powerbook duo 2300c, and in hopes i could get it fixed, i bought a laptop sized IDE drive at this same fair for it. 1.2 gigs. the PB didnt revive but I still have the drive, unopened, new in package. Can it go into this machine? or on the outside in a SCSI case adapted to its small size? give me good ideas, here. also-the speed of RPM the hard drive spins at: if i get one for this machine as it runs now, what RPM range is comfortable for it with a 603e, 40 bus and 160 processor. alternately, when i put the G3 L2 in it, what RPM's is it gonna want, then? and what is the max HD size i ought to stop at, considering the power supply limits onboard, vs an externally powered SCSI casing, daisy chained out the back? named brands? wisdom? experience? what and where do i look for the card that goes in the video in/out slot on the MoBo? what brand name? can someone show me what one looks like? what do you do with them? please give em your replies ASAP, onlist or off. I might switch to feed mode for this. or just read the board at the archives as your answers come in.. feel free to tackle just one subheading of this shopping list to advise me on. oh--and is there any way to attach two PCI cards on one adapter on this board? it has a right angle PCI adapter on it now. tho no cards as yet. any other PCI cards I might want for it? janet the pressured http://community.webtv.net/mensabrains/BADCODE -- PCI-PowerMacs is sponsored by <http://lowendmac.com/> and... 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